What does the future of Bosnia look like?

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

Again. So long as Bosnia is a failure and continues to be one the west will abondon hope for it. The Muslims in Cazinska from what I've seen tend to be opportunists and they will join any side so long as it serves their interests.

I didn't mention but I see the Bosniaks in Cazin as exploting all three sides and that if the Serb or Croat parts of Bosnia seced they will join neither, they will exploit both sides and they will exploit Bosniaks if possible. I could see their being two Bosniak states one in Cazin and the other around Sarajevo.

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

Again. So long as Bosnia is a failure and continues to be one the west will abondon hope for it. The Muslims in Cazinska from what I've seen tend to be opportunists and they will join any side so long as it serves their interests.

The "west" doesn't give a damn about "hopes", they see things through their interests and believe me the current situation suits them just fine because the alternative is again - war.

That is why current status quo will be enforced as long as possible. The only feasible solution is inner reorganization of Bosnia-Herzegovina and that means map I presented in my previous posts...or something similar.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

The "west" doesn't give a damn about "hopes", they see things through their interests and believe me the current situation suits them just fine because the alternative is again - war.

That is why current status quo will be enforced as long as possible. The only feasible solution is inner reorganization of Bosnia-Herzegovina and that means map I presented in my previous posts...or something similar.

I doubt there will be internal reorganization. So long as Serb politicians act the way they do. My guess is that if internal reorganization does occur the Serbs will want a larger area for Republika Srpska, 1 or 2 Croat entities (the region in the north-east Posavina will be one, the other one will be in Bosnia) and the Bosniaks will get 1 or 2 entiries. The Serbs will insist on 1 entity, if it is imposed that their be 2 regions for them then they will insist that these 2 sub-entity cantons that would be part of 1 serb entity or that the two regions have the right to form 1 entity. I also see Serbs insisting on the right to self-determination but depending on the outcome of Kosovo's status.

[Crvena zvezda]

- I also don't see the Posavina region expanding to the level in the above map you posted.

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

I doubt there will be internal reorganization. So long as Serb politicians act the way they do. My guess is that if internal reorganization does occur the Serbs will want a larger area for Republika Srpska, 1 or 2 Croat entities (the region in the north-east Posavina will be one, the other one will be in Bosnia) and the Bosniaks will get 1 or 2 entiries. The Serbs will insist on 1 entity, if it is imposed that their be 2 regions for them then they will insist that these 2 sub-entity cantons that would be part of 1 serb entity or that the two regions have the right to form 1 entity. I also see Serbs insisting on the right to self-determination but depending on the outcome of Kosovo's status.

It doesn't matter on what Serbs will insist, the solution will be status quo and to make everyone happy. Besides what I wrote above doesn't go against what you just now wrote.

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

- I also don't see the Posavina region expanding to the level in the above map you posted.

I do. Those areas were by great majority Croatian, they are not today because the Serbian entity doesn't allow Croats to return to their homes unlike the authorities in Croatian populated and controled cantons where Serbs were allowed to return and are now again a majority in three muncipalities in Herzeg-Bosnia canton (Canton 10). Besides you cannot ask something for nothing. If Serbs want Drvar, Grahovo and Glamoč they will have to give something in return and this is Šamac, Bos.Brod and Derventa.

[Ricardo Reis]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I'm eager to help you.. how about a resettlement in Asia Minor?

These are Greek lands dude.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

I do. Those areas were by great majority Croatian, they are not today because the Serbian entity doesn't allow Croats to return to their homes unlike the authorities in Croatian populated and controled cantons where Serbs were allowed to return and are now again a majority in three muncipalities in Herzeg-Bosnia canton (Canton 10). Besides you cannot ask something for nothing. If Serbs want Drvar, Grahovo and Glamoč they will have to give something in return and this is Šamac, Bos.Brod and Derventa.

Al the claims made that they can't return is a lie. Republika Srpska is different from a few years ago when it obstructed return, it no longer does. not only that but 90% of all returnees who are not Serbs throughout bosnia tend to leave and only return do reclaim property and sell it or exchange it.

[Vincent]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

Al the claims made that they can't return is a lie. Republika Srpska is different from a few years ago when it obstructed return, it no longer does. not only that but 90% of all returnees who are not Serbs throughout bosnia tend to leave and only return do reclaim property and sell it or exchange it.

I have no idea about other parts of Bosnia, but the same Serbs do in Sarajevo.

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

Al the claims made that they can't return is a lie. Republika Srpska is different from a few years ago when it obstructed return, it no longer does. not only that but 90% of all returnees who are not Serbs throughout bosnia tend to leave and only return do reclaim property and sell it or exchange it.

The very fact that Croats are no longer majority (and not only a majority but there are basically no Croats there anymore) in those parts and the fact they don't stay there tells you it is not a lie.

[einarguy]

U Bosni ce sve ostati ka sto je sad. Htjeli mi to il ne htjeli.
Jaci od nas tako oce. I kraj. Kome se ne svidja slobodan je da emigrira na zapad (ako dobije vizu da napusti balkan uopste)
Treba biti realistican. Jesu li srbi i hrvati sceli ostat sa bosnjacima u istu drzavu? Nisu! Jesu li dobili svoje drzave, ili pravo da se prikljuce maticama? Nisu. I to poslije krvavog rata... Dakle.... Mislim da je jasno.. sve ostaje kao sto je sad. Makar generalno.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by einarguy

U Bosni ce sve ostati ka sto je sad. Htjeli mi to il ne htjeli.
Jaci od nas tako oce. I kraj. Kome se ne svidja slobodan je da emigrira na zapad (ako dobije vizu da napusti balkan uopste)
Treba biti realistican. Jesu li srbi i hrvati sceli ostat sa bosnjacima u istu drzavu? Nisu! Jesu li dobili svoje drzave, ili pravo da se prikljuce maticama? Nisu. I to poslije krvavog rata... Dakle.... Mislim da je jasno.. sve ostaje kao sto je sad. Makar generalno.

Barem dok sadašnje međunarodne strukture moći vladaju...ali ne budi siguran da će one biti vječne.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

The very fact that Croats are no longer majority (and not only a majority but there are basically no Croats there anymore) in those parts and the fact they don't stay there tells you it is not a lie.

They can go there return and live there. They choose not too. Just how the claims that Croatia is preventing Serb returnees is a lie, most of the Serbs from Croatia choose not to return and nothing prevents them from returning.

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

They can go there return and live there. They choose not too. Just how the claims that Croatia is preventing Serb returnees is a lie, most of the Serbs from Croatia choose not to return and nothing prevents them from returning.

Not really. As I said almost no one returned to their homes in the Serbian entity which means only one thing...Croats are discriminated and discouraged to return.

Anyway that is not the issue, the point is you cannot ask something for nothing. As I pointed out in my previous posts.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

Not really. As I said almost no one returned to their homes in the Serbian entity which means only one thing...Croats are discriminated and discouraged to return.

Anyway that is not the issue, the point is you cannot ask something for nothing. As I pointed out in my previous posts.

Oh please. I've ehard that Croatian groups have told people not to return in order to increase the Croat population in "Herceg-Bosna."

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

Oh please. I've ehard that Croatian groups have told people not to return in order to increase the Croat population in "Herceg-Bosna."

What "you heard" and what is are two totally different things.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

What "you heard" and what is are two totally different things.

What ever. I've heard Croats say that Croats shouldn't return to Srpska because according to them "it is their natural calling to be in Herceg-Bosna." face it croats are one of the factors preventing returns.