Pan-Slavism

[Pirate]

Just out of interest, what do other Stirpes members think about pan-Slavism?

Most nationalists here (if not all) are opposed to it, but I've seen many eastern Slavs, who show simpathy towards pan-Slavic ideas.

[svin]

I'm not Pan-Slavist but I like all Slavic nations.

[Zrinski]

Pan-Slavic ideal is good in theory however it can be applied only to inter-Slavic cooperation. The Pan-Slavic imperialism is something I deeply oppose and consider it a relic of history.

[Lisowczyk]

oddly enough Im Polisha nd I like the idea of pan- Slavism. If anyone of you read anything on pan Slavism you'd know that a big obstacle was to get Poland to go for the idea which is rejected by most polaks due to strife between us and the russians mostly. However I think it's a good idea but I dont see it happening, there's too much history too much bad blood between all of the slavic nations. I do support cooperation between all slavs yes even russians and poles, i encourage for both sides to let history remain history and join to build a better future and make sure the mistakes of history dont repeat themselves.

[PermCity]

yes, cooperation and pan-slavic feelings, but not imperialism

[Pirate]

I think pan-Slavism is full of crap, it was only a reaction to Germanization and generally it was against ethnic nationalism of Slavic countries (at least in my country).

Pan-Slavism pushed my nation into multi-ethnic Yugoslavia which was a 'prison of nations', simmilar to Austria-Hungary.

[svin]

Yes, that's the main drawback of this movement. By the way, the idea of Pan-Slavism was firstly proposed by Croatian writer, or am I wrong?

[Menydh]

Pan-Slavism

Pan-Slavism — an ideology that promotes cultural and/or political cooperation and unity among the Slavic peoples. The supporters of pan-Slavism understood the concept and its goals in different ways. Some hoped to achieve political unity for Slavic lands in the form of a federation, or through accepting the leadership of one of the largest Slavic peoples, such as the Poles or the Russians. Others considered pan-Slavism primarily as a movement to promote cultural ties and cooperation, whether among the South Slavs (Illyrianism) or the Slavic inhabitants of Austria-Hungary (*Austro-Slavism).
Conceptions of Slavic unity can be traced back to the seventeenth-century Croatian Jesuit writer Jurij Križanić, who proposed the political unity of all Slavs under tsarist Russian rule. The term pan-Slavism itself dates probably from the 1820s, when it appears in the writings of the Slovak, Ján Herkel, but the idea was popularized through the work of another Slovak, Ján Kollár, in particular by his influential book, Über die literarische Wechselseitigkeit zwischen den verschiedenen Stämmen und Mundarten der slavisichen Nation (1837). Kollár argued for close cultural cooperation among Slavs but opposed decisively any ideas of political unity. The practical aspect of cultural unity was addressed by the Carpatho-Rusyns Ivan *Fogarashii and Mykhaïl *Luchkai, who argued in grammars published during the 1830s that the *Church Slavonic language should serve as a common literary language for all Slavic peoples. Emphasis on the cultural aspect of pan-Slavism was continued by the Czech national activists Karel Havliček and František Palacký at the first Slavic Congress held in Prague during the Revolution of 1848.
The mid-nineteenth century also saw the rise of pan-Germanism, and with the subsequent ideological conflict between German and Russian nationalist writers pan-Slavism entered a new phase. For some of its proponents it came to mean the political union of all Slavic peoples under the patronage or direct rule of imperial Russia’s Romanov dynasty. In response, German, Austrian, and Hungarian nationalist writers—however incorrectly— associated the cultural revivals among the Habsburg Slavs with the efforts to create a “worldwide Russian Empire.” In fact, the idea of Slavic unity was viewed in two different ways: for the national awakeners among the Slavs of central Europe and the Balkans pan-Slavism was defensive in nature, that is, it was a means to help them survive as distinct cultural groups; for the Russian ideologists known as Slavophiles, pan-Slavism took on a nationalist character associated with the Russian Empire’s policy of expansion into central Europe and the Balkans.
On the eve of and during the Revolution of 1848 virtually all Slavic leaders in Austria and Hungary, including the Rusyn politician Adol’f *Dobrians’kyi, stressed Slavic cultural and political cooperation but within the framework of the Habsburg Empire. Their views came to be described as Austro-Slavism. For the Russian variant of pan-Slavism a turning point came in the 1870s, during the struggle of the Balkan Slavs (Bulgarians, Serbs, Montenegrins) against the Ottoman Empire, which culminated in the Russo-Turkish War of 1877-1878. Although the tsarist government did not openly support the Russian Slavophile view of pan-Slavism, the failure of the empire’s plans in the Balkans following the Congress of Berlin (1878) ended efforts to establish Russian “patronage” over Bulgaria or Serbia. An ideological crisis among the supporters of political pan-Slavism then led to a change in their views and the subsequent development of *neo-Slavism.
Among Carpatho-Rusyn activists, in particular the *Russophiles, there was in the course of the twentieth century strong sympathy for pan-Slavism as a means to assure the survival of Rusyns within the various state structures in which they have lived. At the outset of the twenty-first century the Rusyn religious and cultural activist Dymytrii *Sydor has advocated pan-Slavic views. Sydor has participated in the Slavic Congress based in Moscow, which has met in 1999 and 2001 and that claims descendence from the first gathering in Prague in 1848.

Bibliography: Aleksandr N. Pypin, Panslavizm v proshlom i nastoiashchem (St. Petersburg, 1913); Andreas Brodi, “Der Panslawismus und die Russinen des Karpatenlandes,” Südostdentsche Rundschau, II, 6 (Budapest, 1943), pp. 443-451; Michael Boro Petrovich, The Emergence of Russian Panslavism, 1856-1870 (New York and London, 1956); Hans Kohn, Pan-Slavism: Its History and Ideology (New York, 1960); John Erickson, Panslavism (London, 1964); Ivan M. Hranchak, ed., Ideï slov”ians’koï iednosti ta suspil’na dumka na Zakarpatti v XIX-XX st. (Uzhhorord, 1999).

Paul Robert Magocsi
Ivan Pop

Entry courtesy of Encyclopedia of Rusyn History and Culture.


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[Erasmus]

What about Mesogaia?, is it a serious Pan-slavic website or just Pagan nutzees? Slavic comrades have the answer

SARMATIA RISING!

[svin]

They're just stupid. Their member used to post here. Nothing serious.

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by svin

Yes, that's the main drawback of this movement. By the way, the idea of Pan-Slavism was firstly proposed by Croatian writer, or am I wrong?

Yes, but this was nothing more than romantic ranting.

[Marcus Marulus]

Pan-Slavism was a bad idea. To merge all distinct Slavic nations into one was never possible. It was always a utopian idea which was more than often misused to justify different expansionist policies.

I sympathise Slavic nations. Our langauges are very similar. For example, I like the fact I can communicate with people in, say, Warsaw, Bratislava and Prague without having ever learned those languages. Or the fact that it was so very easy for me to acquire the reading knowledge of Russian. It causes some sympathy in me. But nothing beyond that. I abhor any perspective of merging all Slavic nations into one or promoting some "solidarity" to the exclusion of all other European peoples.

And this Croatian you mentioned as the alleged inventor of Pan-Slavism, it was Juraj Križanić (17th century). He was a lunatic. He had crazy ideas about merging all Slavic languages into one, he even forged a Slavic esperanto, a language-bastard that combined words and constructions from different Slavic languages. He spent some time at the court of the Russian emperor, but with time the Russian emperor got so weary with his crazy ideas, so he sent him to Siberia...

[Zbruch]

I am a panslavist(slavic internationalist)myself but at this point I dont accept slavic imperialism.I support slavic political and military union with a high degree of separation between the slavic countries.I am waiting for the collapse of the European union(EU) and then the time for our unity would come my slavic brothers and sisters.I think that slavic peoples are one of the most beautiful,smart and creative on the planet.We need to take our fate and to reawaken the slavic culture and brotherhood.
Pozdravi

[Cirrus]

Originally Posted by Zbruch

I think that slavic peoples are one of the most beautiful,smart and creative on the planet.

I already knew Nordicism but this form of "Slavicism" is new to me.

[Heretik]

Originally Posted by Salaün

I already knew Nordicism but this form of "Slavicism" is new to me.

It was just a question of time...

ONtopic:
Nice idea - possibility of realisation 0 points.

[Carnyx]

Slavs: the true chosen people?

[Heretik]

Exactly!