Pan-Slavism

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by durum

enyway all europeans must unite and revitalise the european culture.slavic,germanic,celtic,romance,all europeans have to unite.

Unite into what exactly?

[sachsenkoenig]

Uniting all the Slavs is like uniting all the Germanics. It would just be impossible. All though they are called Slavs, they all have different ethnicites. They have different languages(some similar some not) and different cultures. Slavs live as far as Finland to Kazakhstan and into central Europe. It is just too broad and honestly I don't even consider the Slavs all the same people. They definatly are not considering the all look nothing similar too. Just look at a Northern Russian considered to a Southern Russian.

I agree this would not be a good idea.

[Racowie]

Originally Posted by TeutoneKönigIV

Uniting all the Slavs is like uniting all the Germanics. It would just be impossible. All though they are called Slavs, they all have different ethnicites. They have different languages(some similar some not) and different cultures. Slavs live as far as Finland to Kazakhstan and into central Europe. It is just too broad and honestly I don't even consider the Slavs all the same people. They definatly are not considering the all look nothing similar too. Just look at a Northern Russian considered to a Southern Russian.

I agree this would not be a good idea.

with all due respect on you as a person and to all Germanics, truth must be said here and defended

Uniting all Slavs isn`t same as uniting all Germanics. Its too simplistic approach. It can`t be compared on the first place because even some Germanics originate from Slavs. You heard for `Drang nach osten`, ever?

weather Slavs united or not they all belong to old civilzation which was extracted as geneticaly, linguisticaly, etnicaly... much before Germanics.

Slavs in general live as ethos on inter-continental level since time immemorial and differences are expected and normal, cultural diversity, etc, etc.

I am curious what would you say if France, Britain or Germany for example holds and controls resources from Kamcatka to the Central- South Eastern Europe. You would maybe think that great ammount of resources represent frustration for those countries? that God punished them because they are diversed among themselves because they live on such a vast territory?

You can`t imagine how your approach looks rediculous to me. Slavs don`t look similar...? .. that`s the funny comment i must say. Tell me man, are you aware how differences in micro-climate affect people, custums, etc, etc... in only few generations. Accomodation on enviromental conditions does not annul our genetic background but only update it with new informations vital for our survivor in new situation. Its the same old blood-line. Naturaly created differences does not weaken Slavs but only strenghten them. Just look how Slavs are nice looking people. Our blood is helthy

Slavs are one and same ethos, with unique and common civilizational heritage. But in one moment of history Slavic world was overrun by hostile newcomers. Slavs were forcible divided, split on different zones of control/cultural influences and even enslaved. Since then they developed segmented as many different nations, more or less mutualy connected.

[Aramis]

Originally Posted by Racowie

Slavs are one and same ethos, with unique and common civilizational heritage. But in one moment of history Slavic world was overrun by hostile newcomers. Slavs were forcible divided, split on different zones of control/cultural influences and even enslaved. Since then they developed segmented as many different nations, more or less mutualy connected.

And? So did Celts, Illyrians, Germanics etc. What's the point? You want me to tell you? It's the past. It was, and is not anymore. As time passed, all of them changed, and developed a identity of their own. You can't bring back something that disappeared more then 1000 years ago. It is pointless and unnatural. It is not how the human mind works.

All you can do is create a new Slavic identity (wich would be artificial), brainwash people and make them join your club. But wait... something like that happened before. And it ended in wars. Remember?

But maybe your quest of creating a new (false) identity will be successful. In such a screnario, the word "Slavdom" would become synomymous with "USA".

EDIT: Now without sarcastic comments. Stick with your nation. If you are searching for allies, I can assure you that ethnic groups around your own have more in common then the ones who belong to an abstract concept such as meta-ethncity. E.g. a Serb from Vojvodina has more similarities with a Romanian from Banat, then some Russian from St. Petersburg, or the Whiterussian with a Lithuanian, and not a Slovak from Banska Bystrica etc.

[Racowie]

Vincent

how nice from you that i got your reply so soon. Why such a hurry when we know that past is past, that present is present and, ... that future belong to to... you maybe suggests that future belong to Borg?

[Aramis]

Originally Posted by Racowie

Vincent

how nice from you that i got your reply so soon. Why such a hurry when we know that past is past, that present is present and, ... that future belong to to... you maybe suggests that future belong to Borg?

Just try for once to leave these romantic ideas behind, move your mind to this moment, here and now, and be realistic.

[Pirate]

Mind your own business Racowie, don't force this pan-Slavist crap on everyone here. Thank you.

[Faolchu]

Who would object it?! For example: Croats-Serbs, Croats-Slovenes (though I never met a bad Serb or a bad Slovene), Serbs-Slovenes, Poles-Russians, Poles-Czechs, Bulgarians-Serbs, Bulgarians-Macedonians, Ukrainians-Russians,Czechs -Slovaks... etc...

But sure I would rather support Russia than Germany in football

[Aramis]

Originally Posted by Faolchu

Who would object it?! For example: Croats-Serbs, Croats-Slovenes (though I never met a bad Serb or a bad Slovene), Serbs-Slovenes, Poles-Russians, Poles-Czechs, Bulgarians-Serbs, Bulgarians-Macedonians, Ukrainians-Russians,Czechs -Slovaks... etc...

But sure I would rather support Russia than Germany in football

I only support the Faroe Islands

[sachsenkoenig]

I don't think that Pan-Slavism is a credible statement anymore. It is very obvious that the Slavic peoples are not the same and in many cases very similar at all. It comes down to the fact that even Serbians don't even think they are Serbians(Kosovo), so what would make anyone think that the Slavs would ever feel united or as one people.

I agree that maybe some Slavic peoples could unite if they got rid of their tensions like Serbians, Belorussia, Ukraine, ect. But other then that Pan-Slavism is a dead idea.

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by nordkönig

(...)It comes down to the fact that even Serbians don't even think they are Serbians(Kosovo) (...)

The Serbs of Kosovo most definitely consider themselves as Slavic Serbs.
Their ethnic and cultural heritage does not allow them to accept the Albanian rule (nor any other):

[Whiteruthenian]

Originally Posted by durum

slavic brothers must unite!

Originally Posted by Monolith

Why?

Indeed it would be great if somebody would answer this question. What for must slavic brothers unite?

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by nordkönig

It comes down to the fact that even Serbians don't even think they are Serbians(Kosovo), so what would make anyone think that the Slavs would ever feel united or as one people.

I guess you've mistaken Albanians for Serbs.

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

The Serbs of Kosovo most definitely consider themselves as Slavic Serbs.
Their ethnic and cultural heritage does not allow them to accept the Albanian rule (nor any other):

Indeed.

[Aramis]

Originally Posted by Whiteruthenian

Indeed it would be great if somebody would answer this question. What for must slavic brothers unite?

According to Racowie to stop some imaginary "drang nach Osten".

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Vincent

According to Racowie to stop some imaginary "drang nach Osten".

Or drang nach Westen. That is to say to stagnate in XIXth century ideas of pseudo-anachronisms.