What is Slavic?

[Marulus]

Originally Posted by Zbruch

Its very very stupid to say "This man is blonde haired with blye eyes, so he is a slav while the dark haired man isnt". For example many germans are also blonde haired with blue eyes but they arent slavs.You know the outer apperance isnt a criterion. The genes are those factors who made us diffrent.Also we all know that the 'fair' genes are recessive and the darker are dominant.Its not so strange why all south europeans have a slightly darker appearince.And I repeat once again slavs arent just a linguistic term, its a racial category.
Pozdravi

But you haven't yet answered the question, as to how this alleged Slavic race looks like, what are its subracial subdivisions, what are its phenotypical characteristics?

[Zbruch]

Originally Posted by Plethon

But you haven't yet answered the question, as to how this alleged Slavic race looks like, what are its subracial subdivisions, what are its phenotypical characteristics?

Hey, I am not an expert antropologist but there are diffrent data which proove my words.Its not just a linguisthic term its an ethnic term(or racial category, tell it whatever you want) also.Bulgarians,Russian,Polaks,Chech share almost the same blood,language,traditions,folklore and religion(in some degree).So I think there isnt any debate here. Scientists proove that long ago.
Read more info in wikipedia if you dont trust me :
Slavic peoples - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Slavic peoples are a linguistic and ethnic branch of Indo-European peoples, living mainly in Europe, where they constitute roughly a third of the population. Since emerging from their original homeland (most commonly thought to be in Eastern Europe) in the early 6th century, they have inhabited most of eastern Central Europe, Eastern Europe and the Balkans. Many settled later in Northern Asia or emigrated to other parts of the world.

[Kan Yuvigi Asparukh]

Zbruch, do you really think that "Bulgarians,Russian,Polaks,Chech share almost the same blood,language,traditions,folklore".
About the blood: Do yout think that the average Bulgarian is looking like the average Russian or Pole?Bulgarians are 60% Mediterranean, while the Russians are 10%.
About the language: We agreed Slavic is a lingual category.
About the traditions: I can not remember even one common tradition in all Slavic-speaking countries, which is not linked with the religion, while the Bulgarian traditions are many - Kukeri, Martenitsi...
About the folklore: Just compare one Czech foklore song and a Bulgarian one....absolutely nothing in common.
About the religion: Some of the Slavic countries are Orthodoxal, others are Roman catholic. Yes, we all are Christians , but Brazil, Philippines and Ecuador are also Christian countries. Are they Slavic too

[Zbruch]

For examples serbians,croatians,chechs,slovenians,slovakians are also darker than poles,belorussians,russians but we all consider ourselves slavs.There arent 'fair' south european countries.As much as you go to the north the much ligther the peoples are.Its not unusual that bulgarians arent so fair.Tell me one(1!) south european country with a light people?You cannot!Thats not a clue! Our history is closely related to the common slavic history and that cannot be rejected.Pliska and Preslav(capitals of medieval Bulgaria) are ancient slavic villages.There were many slavic tribes which inhabited the Balcan peninsula in 6-7 century AD.This is historically proven.Cyrril and Methodius were also slavs from the bulgarian group(soon the historians revealed that secret).In our folklore there are numerous slavic legends and myths.We all know for Baba Yaga,the villas,samovillas and so on."Veda Slovena" is a famous bulgarian slavic book which is created in Bulgaria and contains numerous slavic songs and tales from the Rhodoppy moutain. There are many more examples of the slavic culture and traditions.If you want to learn more, ask wikipedia.

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Zbruch

Tell me one(1!) south european country with a light people?

Slovenia.



You're right about Baba Yaga though.

[Zbruch]

Bulgaria is more to the south than Slovenia for sure .In Slovenia there wasnt 200 years of Byzantine rule and 500 years of ottoman yoke.And by the way Slovenia is a much smaller than Bulgaria(as a pop. and territory).After all I dont think that Slovenia is lighter than Russia,Poland and Belorussia.

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Zbruch

Bulgaria is more to the south than Slovenia for sure .In Slovenia there wasnt 200 years of Byzantine rule and 500 years of ottoman yoke.And by the way Slovenia is a much smaller than Bulgaria(as a pop. and territory).After all I dont think that Slovenia is lighter than Russia,Poland and Belorussia.

Perhaps not, but every people is unique in its own way.

[Zrinski]

Zbruch in all honesty you are wrong. There is not that much similarity as you are trying to present. For example I am quite sure there is barely if any similarity besides the obviously related languages between our two nations. I do consider Bulgarians a friendly nation, but thats as far as I willing to go. Same for any other nation.

[Zbruch]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

Zbruch in all honesty you are wrong. There is not that much similarity as you are trying to present. For example I am quite sure there is barely if any similarity besides the obviously related languages between our two nations. I do consider Bulgarians a friendly nation, but thats as far as I willing to go. Same for any other nation.

Its your choise whatever you ll be panslavist or not.But if you try to proove that the slavic countries have nothing in common you are wrong.For me, there is nothing more important than the slavic peoples as a slav.The original topic was "What is slavic?" so I`ve just answered the question.

[Buery]

Originally Posted by Zbruch

Hey, stop posting that shits. Slavic is a RACE!!! Yes, diffrent race. Just like german,celtic,nordic and so on. Slavs share same blood,history,language,traditions,folklore and so on. Remember that!

What? Slavic a race??? It is the same if you say that Romans are race and Germanics are race! Can you tell me what are the features of that slavic race?
Slavic is only a linguistic group, nothing much, nothing less.
Kan Yuvigi Asparukh answered the question about traditions, etc very correctly.
Anyway, the question about who were the slavs is very wide and unclear. According to some "slavs" on the Balkans were just Thracians or a mix of Thracians and steppe peoples like Skythians. The difference between the so called eastern, western and southern slavs is obvious. According to me the main resemblance between these nations were the strong relations in the past and some common ancient roots of origin (indo-european, for instance).

BTW, there is a possibility that Baba Yaga actually comes from "yanga". Yanga was called the wife of the Ancient Bulgarian high priest Colobar. These women were also considered as high priestes and practice "witchcraft", herbal medicine and so on.

[Zbruch]

"Slav" is an ethnical,lingual and cultural term.
I repeat that for second or third time and will repeat it until you dont completely understand it.In fact bulgarians(as eastern european peoples) are much closer to other slavic nations than to any other europeans.I dont know exactly how much is the percentage(%) of slavic blood amongst bulgarians and other slavs(nobody knows that in fact) but it is proven that this blood exists and we must be proud of it.

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Zbruch

"Slav" is an ethnical,lingual and cultural term.
I repeat that for second or third time and will repeat it until you dont completely understand it.In fact bulgarians(as eastern european peoples) are much closer to other slavic nations than to any other europeans.I dont know exactly how much is the percentage(%) of slavic blood amongst bulgarians and other slavs(nobody knows that in fact) but it is proven that this blood exists and we must be proud of it.

There is no such thing as Slavic blood. There's no Germanic blood, nor Romance blood. There's no other blood but human blood.
Every nation is genetically heterogeneous, and a number of genetic markers(legacy of ancient peoples that lived here before us) is present in every country.
Some people consider R1a genetic marker to be Slavic, but that's wrong. It's a marker that is most common in Slavic-speaking countries, but is as well common among the people of Punjab and Rajastan in India.
What you're saying is that a certain people have unique blood, and that's not true.

[Cirrus]

Originally Posted by Bardyllis

There is no such thing as Slavic blood. There's no Germanic blood, nor Romance blood. There's no other blood but human blood.

Well, I somewhat disagree, since the term blood is used as a metaphor for descent.

Let's say, if you're a descent of the original Romance or Germanic people, I think it's ok to say "I'm made of Romance, Germanic or whatever blood".

Even if, of course, there's no thing such as a Slavic phenotype or race.

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Salaün

Well, I somewhat disagree, since the term blood is used as a metaphor for descent.

Let's say, if you're a descent of the original Romance or Germanic people, I think it's ok to say "I'm made of Romance, Germanic or whatever blood".

How would you define :"Original Romance or Germanic people"?

[Cirrus]

Originally Posted by Bardyllis

How would you define :"Original Romance or Germanic people"?

Well, we can make a difference between, for exemple, romanized people like Iberians or Gauls, and people of original Romance descent (Latins).

But it wasn't really my point : what I meant is that I think it's ok for a person to say "I'm of [cultural group] blood" if his ancestors belonged to this cultural group, because it's part of the heritage which constitute his current identity.

For exemple, Lebanese people can say they are of "Phoenician blood", even if they have an Arab culture, it's normal IMO.

[Buery]

Originally Posted by Zbruch

"Slav" is an ethnical,lingual and cultural term.
I repeat that for second or third time and will repeat it until you dont completely understand it.In fact bulgarians(as eastern european peoples) are much closer to other slavic nations than to any other europeans.I dont know exactly how much is the percentage(%) of slavic blood amongst bulgarians and other slavs(nobody knows that in fact) but it is proven that this blood exists and we must be proud of it.

I've read somewhere that we are very close to the Romanians. How would you explain that?
According to some researches the percentage of slavic blood here is 5-15%...

[Zbruch]

Originally Posted by Buery

I've read somewhere that we are very close to the Romanians. How would you explain that?
According to some researches the percentage of slavic blood here is 5-15%...

Romanians are also slavicised if you dont know.Maybe that explain the relation between us and them.