What do you think of other Slavic nations?

[slo]

hej Hrvoje, zakaj nas ne maraš?
jaz osebno nimam nič proti vam. In proti Srbom tud ne.
En razlog zakaj večina Slovencev ne mara Hrvatov je "dobra stara slovenska fovšarija".

[Hrvoje]

Originally Posted by slo

hej Hrvoje, zakaj nas ne maraš?
jaz osebno nimam nič proti vam. In proti Srbom tud ne.
En razlog zakaj večina Slovencev ne mara Hrvatov je "dobra stara slovenska fovšarija".

Ne, nego zbog kukavičkog ponašanja na košarkaškom prvenstvu u Beogradu.

[Pirate]

I don't have problem with any Slavic nation really, just with some Slavic immigrants in my country. I have nothing against Serbs who live in their country, in fact I was to Serbia and I met good people there.

I feel close to Croats as we're both Catholic nations and we've never been in a war yet, which is rare for two neighbouring nations.

I never had much contact with other Slavs...

[Arier]

Hrvoje ti si eno budalo da zaradi enega prvenstva nemaraš enega naroda!!!

I like all white brothers and sister!

bud I really dont like wankers and shovinist!

[fadromabg]

Bulgarians are not slavic - if you visit bulgaria and then visit every other slavic coutry(exept FYROM) you will see that we don't have anything in common.

[Arier]

Originally Posted by fadromabg

Bulgarians are not slavic - if you visit bulgaria and then visit every other slavic coutry(exept FYROM) you will see that we don't have anything in common.

then what are you if you are not slavic??

[Behelit]

Originally Posted by Arier

then what are you if you are not slavic??

They are not Slavic , they fight agains and finaly make peace with them.
They came from Central Asia to Ukraine in the 5 th century.
It was a big nation , not that little country that we know now.

[Gavril]

Yet the Bulgarian language is Slavic, and the Bulgarians are at least partly descendants of Slavic peoples, who mixed with locals, just like our western neighbours in Serbia, for instance. Depending on which theory you trust, we can say that Bulgarians are culturally Slavo-Bolgar, Slavo-Turkic, Slavo-Pamiri, Slavo-Altaic or whatever term one finds fitting.

[Menydh]

Many historians have believed that the ancient Bulgars were a Turkic people. However, I think that it is more plausible to think that they were related to the Indo-Iranian Sarmatians or the Indo-European Scythians.

This map gives the location of the Sarmatians and the Scythians in the year ~100 BC


Now compare it with the location of the Bulgars ~650 AD


Some interesting information on the Proto-Bulgars: Rasho Rashev - On the origin of the Proto-Bulgarians (1992)

[Llywarch Hen]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Many historians have believed that the ancient Bulgars were a Turkic people. However, I think that it is more plausible to think that they were related to the Indo-Iranian Sarmatians or the Indo-European Scythians.

It's reasonable to expect a proportion of the blood of the Bulgars on the Steppe to have come from their Iranian speaking predecessors, but such a direct identification is not.

This map gives the location of the Sarmatians and the Scythians in the year ~100 BC


Now compare it with the location of the Bulgars ~650 AD

You've missed out a few maps in the middle;
Late 5th Century following the collapse of the Hunnish Empire - The peoples on the Great Steppe are Turkic and Ugric, or combinations thereof;


The Turyut Kaganat 550 - 600;


A lot happened between 100 BC and 650 AD, most significantly the Turkicisation of the Steppe.

The Scythians had already been displaced by the Sarmatians from the east, but hot on their heels were the Huns themselves. The Tyurkut consolidated this. Iranians formed only a substrate to this.

And the descendants of Volga Bulgaria are the Chuvash, who speak the most archaic and divergent Turkic language.

Some Bulgarians have an understandable wish to distance themselves from the name 'Turkic' but this is only a result of the secondary meaning that name earned in Anatolia. Original northern Turkics [with an undoubted Iranian componant] are completely different from Ottoman Bashi Bazooks, and it's unfortunate that the latter have given the former a bad name.

[Crvena zvezda]

I really have nothing against other slavic nations, real nations since I do not consider Vardarskians (FYROM, a.k.a. Macedonia) to be nation but an artificial communist creation of historical Serbian & Bulgarian population and I do not consider Bosniaks not to be a nation since their notion of nation is entirely based on religion and I find that flawed and I consider their nationhood an artificial creation. I have nothing against Montenegrins (my family being from Montenegro and the fact that I consider Montenegrins to be part of the Serbian nation). I'm some what hostile to Croatia, but I consider them and Serbs to be one nation to a degree. I have nothing against Bulgarians (even though their ethnogenesis can not be considered Slavic), Russians, Ukrainians, Belarussians, Slovaks, Czechs or smaller nations (e.g. Rusyns and Gorani). I only have problems with Poles due to the fact that every Pole I've ever met is extremely anti-Russian.

[Srbobran]

Russians, Belorussians- favorite Slavs, I believe Serbia should continue to devolop a flourishing relationship with them

Bulgarians- no problem, generally ok

Poles- generally piss me off because of the anti-Russian behavior, far too liberal

Czechs- same as poles, much to atheistic

Slovaks- the nationalist ones are awesome, some of the only Catholic Slavs I respect

Slovenes-the nationalist ones are great but liberalism is far to prevalent in that country

Croats- I am generally hostile to them since most of the Croats I have met are the Ustasha loving, Serb hating type

Vardarskans- Serbs and Bulgars

Bosniaks- constructed nation, has no real history

Montenegrins- THEY ARE SERBS

[Crvena zvezda]

Russians, Belorussians- favorite Slavs, I believe Serbia should continue to devolop a flourishing relationship with them

True. I especially agree with the need for cordial relations with them since the liberals who came to power in October 5 destroyed relations with them, but luckily in recent months relations have improved greatly.

Bulgarians- no problem, generally ok

Generally, ok. Theirs always some Bulgarian who angers me with his views. Their state is great so long as it is ruled by Bulgarians.

Poles- generally piss me off because of the anti-Russian behavior, far too liberal

I wouldn't say their far too liberal, Poles I've met tend to be conservative especially compared to slovaks and czechs. I'd say they are far too anti-Russia and far too pro-american.

Czechs- same as poles, much to atheistic

Now Czechs on the other hand are far too liberal. They're the Slavic version of the Dutch. But the Czech have generally been liberal as can be seen by some of the famous artists that grew up in Prague, such as Kafka (just the absurdity of his works that people in the Czech Republic tend to be liberal regardless of ethnitcity).

Slovaks- the nationalist ones are awesome, some of the only Catholic Slavs I respect

True. Fico is one of the few politicians I respect. I also like how they oppose Kosovo independence. I view them positibely since in the region of serbia where my mom's famnily lives there are many of them.

Slovenes-the nationalist ones are great but liberalism is far to prevalent in that country

I tend to view them positively. I do not like their liberal nature. I also don't like some of their nationalist views considering Serbian and other ex-Yu workers their. But considering the number of Slovenians and how many people from ex-Yu are legally and illegally their and how many of them are albanians and criminals I can understand their concerns. I tend to view them positively, especially since Chetniks viewed them positively.

Croats- I am generally hostile to them since most of the Croats I have met are the Ustasha loving, Serb hating type

Vardarskans- Serbs and Bulgars

Bosniaks- constructed nation, has no real history

Montenegrins- THEY ARE SERBS

Same view on all three.

What are people's views on the really small slavic groups or sub-groups with in the above nations. I'm referring to groups like Gorani, Pomaks, Rusyns and others?

[Junkers from Galicia]

Actually I like all my Slavic brothers, even Polish
The best Slavic nations for me are Belorusyns, Croats, Macedonians.
the worsest - Sorbs and Kashubians Because i have never seen any, and i have never heard their languages

[Pirate]

I like Sorbs, they are the only people in Europe (beside Slovenians) who have dual number in their language.

That makes them cool.

[Junkers from Galicia]

Originally Posted by Panonski

I like Sorbs, they are the only people in Europe (beside Slovenians) who have dual number in their language.

That makes them cool.

what do you mean with dual number?
"both" English, "beide" German?

[Whiteruthenian]

Something like this:

Poles
Russians
Ukrainians

Macedonians (for their way of saying f*ck off to almost all the neighbours )