Slavic Wars

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

You know there is barely one nation that was innocent to their neighbouring nations....especially in Europe. The point is in overcoming the past and looking towards the future. Calling upon past events will bring us nothing good....believe me I know from my own personal experience(ex-Yugoslavia wars)...

Sounds common sense to me.

We are all "condemned" to live next to each other. Russians with Ukrainians, with Slovaks, with Croats, with Serbs, .. Easterners with Westerners.

There is no doubt that there is much that makes us different. Different nations, different groups (slavic, hellenic, romance, germanic, hispanic, celtic). But that is an enriching factor which amounts to the uniqueness of Europe ... and to her vulnerability too.

We risk to become the tribalist hutus and tutsis of the future, while macro-countries like America keep growing, or others like China or India awake.

[Zrinski]

Indeed....Personally I can't understand why people are so easy to come into conflict. For example all South Slavic people and especially Serbs and Croats had once rich and inspiring relationship....over the years it became more and more degenerated....although personally I could not help but to think that the main root of our problems(for example) is and has always been the seed of evil planted by Ottoman Turks.

[Nadvojvoda Janez Kranjski]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

Indeed....Personally I can't understand why people are so easy to come into conflict. For example all South Slavic people and especially Serbs and Croats had once rich and inspiring relationship....over the years it became more and more degenerated....although personally I could not help but to think that the main root of our problems(for example) is and has always been the seed of evil planted by Ottoman Turks.

Bosnian Muslims?

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Nadvojvoda Janez Kranjski

Bosnian Muslims?

They are just a leftover...whats a far bigger problem and a strain in relationship is the fact that as a direct consequence people were displaced and this created tense situation that continues to this very day.

Relations between two people can be good and satisfying for both sides only when they are living besides each other without intruding on their own land. I am a big opponent of multi-culturalism as IMO it can bring nothing good as has been proven throughout history.

[Lisowczyk]

I think division among Slavs can also be due to western countries influence. Croats and Poles are both Roman Catholic just like most of the western countries, they're influence could always try to trigger a hate to other slavs because of different religion.

[Menydh]

Great. Let us forget about History, and the division of the Eastern and Western Empires, and the Schism, and better let us draw a new conspiracy theory.

[Seaxiscmann]

Weren't Poles first Orthodox and then were forced to change by the Teutonic Order in the 14th century?

[svin]

No, they were not.

[Wilkolak]

That was another stupid war all together, the knights of the teutonic order trying to "christianize" the Balts, Pomeranians, Zmudzians (hehe, for lack of better terminology, I have no idea how to translate this into English) etc. Bringing using their jewish faith as a weapon against fellow Europeans. The stupidity in this is infinite! I personally cannot stand this retarded contempt that European states have for each other, why not hate Muslims instead?

[Truth-Finder]

weren't the"old Prussians" poles and baltics and the Teutonisch knights settled in Prussia renamed themselves "Prussians"?

[svin]

Prussians has nothing to do with Germans. Originally they were Baltic tribe just like modern Lithuanians or Latvians. But nowadays the word "Prussian" has different meanings.

[Gil]

Originally Posted by Wilkolak

Bringing using their jewish faith as a weapon against fellow Europeans. The stupidity in this is infinite! I personally cannot stand this retarded contempt that European states have for each other, why not hate Muslims instead?

It's a faith that has it's origins on hebrew characters, not jewish. The difference might seem subtle but it isn't. Christ was Semite and Hebrew but not jewish.

[Hrvoje]

Originally Posted by Wilkolak

Bringing using their jewish faith as a weapon against fellow Europeans. The stupidity in this is infinite!

Now that is stupidity.

[Wilkolak]

Manji - Whatever, it's foreign to Europe, and has far more influence than it should!

Hrvoje - And why is that stupidity? Using their SEMITIC faith (with their SEMITIC symbols, jesus the hebrew shepherd, the cross he was stuck up on allegedly and mary [...], they burned many pagan enclaves/settlements and killed thousands across Pomerania, Lithuania-Poland and Rus. Of course [someone] like yourself will think what I said is stupidity.

[svin]

Christianity and Europe became almost synonyms. It's counter-productive to bash Christianity today. We face a lot of really important problems.

[svin]

Originally Posted by Lisowczyk

I think division among Slavs can also be due to western countries influence. Croats and Poles are both Roman Catholic just like most of the western countries, they're influence could always try to trigger a hate to other slavs because of different religion.

Czechs, Slovaks, Slovenians are Catholics too. Also, many western Ukrainians and Belarusans.

[Wilkolak]

Christianity and Europe became almost synonyms. It's counter-productive to bash Christianity today. We face a lot of really important problems.

You don't have to tell me brother, I know how it is. About the anti-Christian statement, it was more of a counter to Hrvojeb than a statement against it.

[Hrvoje]

Originally Posted by Wilkolak

Manji - Whatever, it's foreign to Europe, and has far more influence than it should!

No it is not foreign to Europe it is been around for 2000 years, before Europe as we know it even existed.

Hrvoje - And why is that stupidity? Using their SEMITIC faith

It is not Semitic faith but universal one.

(with their SEMITIC symbols, jesus the hebrew shepherd, the cross he was stuck up on allegedly and mary

[...],

Nothing is Semitic in Christian symbols.
I don’t know how shepherds , cross which is Roman punishing invention or virgin Mary could be reserved for Semites only.

Besides , Jesus represents separation of God from Jewish people and its bond with Christianity.
Hebrews that did not accept Jesus as their Messiah became Jews, followers of Judaism.

Christianity is more Greek in character that it is “Semitic”.

they burned many pagan enclaves/settlements and killed thousands across Pomerania, Lithuania-Poland and Rus. Of course [someone] like yourself will think what I said is stupidity.

This does not follow, you were arguing that Christianity is Jewish faith and moreover called Christianity stupidity.
When I countered your claim that Christianity is Jewish with same attribute,
you started to talk about medieval wars and thus diverting from initial claim that Christianity is somehow Jewish.
Not only that, but you resorted to various insults, insulting my religion and insulting me personally.

Hrvojeb

I will not lower my self to your level no matter how hard you tried to provoke me,
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