Slavic Wars

[Milesian]

On my list of things to reject:

1) Christianity - originated in the Middle East

2) Paper - Asian invention

3) Any fruit / vegetable which didn't originate in Europe

4) Bread - wheat was first cultivated in the Middle East

5) Buying anything made with farm produce - agriculture came from the Near East. From now on, I will eat only hunted and scavenged meat and fish

6) Indo-European culture - originated in Eurasia. My language and culture will be rejected as non-European.

I think I'll put on a loincloth and go an live in a cave somewhere

[Wilkolak]

Nice try, but are any of those things on your list the cause of, say, the little war in Northern Ireland? Are paper, language, bread etc. the cause of the IRA bombings etc.? No, two stupid things cause the carnage there, and a vast majority of carnage that has happened in Europe: Christianity and Nationalism.

[Hrvoje]

Originally Posted by Wilkolak

You're a Croat, does that make you any better than a Pole?

Yes.

[svin]

Russians are better than Poles and Croats anyway.

p.s. inter-Slavic fights are always hot, hehe.

[Milesian]

Originally Posted by Wilkolak

Nice try, but are any of those things on your list the cause of, say, the little war in Northern Ireland? Are paper, language, bread etc. the cause of the IRA bombings etc.? No, two stupid things cause the carnage there, and a vast majority of carnage that has happened in Europe: Christianity and Nationalism.

Christianity has precious little to do with the Northern Ireland conflict, that is an uninformed opinion borne of ignorance on the subject. It is about politics - Unionists want to be part of Britain, Nationalists want to be independent Irish.

The first Irish Republicans were actually Protestants and they strived for independence with their fellow Catholic Irish in The Society of United Irishmen.
The religious element was engineered by London to split the people after the failed United Irishmen rebellion with French aid.
In any case, Ireland has been resisting English rule since before the Reformation so obviously it's origin is in politics and not religion

So if you think Christianity and Nationalism are stupid, then what do you believe in? Will Eurasian paganism save us (or some bastardised modern version of it bearing little actual resemblance to the real thing)? Will nihlistic materialism save us?
I wouldn't hold my breath.

Let me ask you though - where there no wars or conflict in Europe before Christianity?

[Laocoon]

The forum is less boring with these hot slavic arguments.

[Wilkolak]

Hrvoje - I can't imagine how Croats could be better than Poles in any way, only thing that comes to mind is that you have better weather... that's about it! What do you think?

Russians are better than Poles and Croats anyway.

Well I agree with the Croats bit for sure!

Christianity has precious little to do with the Northern Ireland conflict, that is an uninformed opinion borne of ignorance on the subject. It is about politics - Unionists want to be part of Britain, Nationalists want to be independent Irish.

Right, and these politics don't stem from Nationalism perhaps? You just said in the last sentence!

So if you think Christianity and Nationalism are stupid, then what do you believe in?

Racialism, for example, would be one way for any kind of unity amongst Europeans, because obviously Nationalism, Language and Religion does not work. Unless of course you believe every European nation should be on its own terms, then whatever.

Will Eurasian paganism save us (or some bastardised modern version of it bearing little actual resemblance to the real thing)? Will nihlistic materialism save us?
I wouldn't hold my breath.

Neither would I, hehehe, no to all your questions. But then again I never claimed any of them to be some kind of redeeming force anyway...

Let me ask you though - where there no wars or conflict in Europe before Christianity?

There were, yes, but not on the grounds of religion. Then it was about land and belief in the clan/tribe/rod (in Slavic). Even just the idea of fighting and dying for glory was a driving force to war then! But not religion... the key is to find something common among us so there would not be conflict of any sort. But of course racialism is discouraged in the media, if not downright oppressed!

The forum is less boring with these hot slavic arguments.

Speaking of which, anyone notice how infrequent Slavo-Germanic conflicts occur these days?

[Hrvoje]

Originally Posted by Wilkolak

Hrvoje - I can't imagine how Croats could be better than Poles in any way, only thing that comes to mind is that you have better weather... that's about it! What do you think?

It's well enough.

[Faísca]

Originally Posted by Wilkolak

Racialism, for example, would be one way for any kind of unity amongst Europeans, because obviously Nationalism, Language and Religion does not work. Unless of course you believe every European nation should be on its own terms, then whatever.

When it comes to Racialism, the question always arises. Where to draw the line?

[Wilkolak]

When it comes to Racialism, the question always arises. Where to draw the line?

Good question, with all these Nordicists, Medicists... well there has to be something linking us in Mother Europe!

Hrvoje - You do realize here is a law against retardism on this forum?

[Gil]

Originally Posted by Johannes de León

When it comes to Racialism, the question always arises. Where to draw the line?

Racialism understood as "the separation of humankind into different races according to physical characters" is problematic due to several reasons:

a) Races are always defined by phenotype and by the existence of patterns. THese patterns are not as well defined in humans as they are in, for example, dogs, because humans interbred thousands upon thousands of times. Someone claiming "purity" is just creating an illusion: there is no such thing, from a phenotypical point of view, as "pure".

b) Races defined by genotype are more precise but variable or diverse. A member of the R1b haplogroup can have brown hair and brown eyes and a medium pigmentation or blond hair and blue eyes and a rosy pigmentation but still they are closer than two persons of the same phenotype but with different genotypes.

c) What use can be given to racialism, of the phenotype or the genotype, in our world setting? Segregation by type? What benefit would that give us? I understand and support the preservation of all human types in the same way that I support the preservation of all dog races: variety is what makes us unique and marvellous creatures, a breed of "mutts" lacks individuality and character.

d) If indeed a segregation or "forced preservation" do occurs in what sense would that be made? Ok, now everyone with dark hair and medium skin go here, everyone with rosy skin but with black hair go here, etc.... it makes no sense at all.

Originally Posted by Milesian

think I'll put on a loincloth and go an live in a cave somewhere

Meh, loincloth sounds rather african, you should go live in the nude.

[Defensor Fidei]

Originally Posted by Wilkolak

It did not originate in Europe, but in the Middle East, and has caused far too much conflict between Europeans. It is foreign

Atheism has caused even more conflict between Europeans, so your theories are very uninformed. You are polish national-socialist that shows how inconsistent you are.

Without Christianity European civilization is dead

Originally Posted by Wilkolak

Whatever, it originates in the Middle East, the bible claims the jews are the chosen race and it's all about jews. It is foreign.

Read the Bible again or burn in hell

Originally Posted by Wilkolak

Christianity is a jewish faith originating from the Middle East, that has been Europeanized, but is not European originally. It's like MacDonald's made with Croatian ingredients, to put it very bluntly.

Oh my God - what a comparison

Originally Posted by Wilkolak

You're a Croat, does that make you any better than a Pole?

Yes it does

Originally Posted by Wilkolak

What is so special about your [...] country? [...]

Our country is full of poles during the summer - ask them what is so special about Croatia.

Greetings from Croatia - Antemurale Christianitatis

[Hrvoje]

Originally Posted by Wilkolak

Hrvoje - You do realize here is a law against retardism on this forum?

Yes and the staff aren't doing their job, you're still here

[Herac]

Originally Posted by Defensor Fidei

theism has caused even more conflict between Europeans, so your theories are very stupid.

I don't think so... do you call the old faith as "atheism"?

Without Christianity European civilization is dead

Ok, so we are dead since the year 1.

Or better... we never existed, we're just an 'invention' of christendom!...

[Defensor Fidei]

Originally Posted by svin

Russians are better than Poles and Croats anyway.

In myths maybe

[Defensor Fidei]

Originally Posted by Herac

I don't think so... do you call the old faith as "atheism"?

Atheist ideology, for example communism, national socialism, has caused more conflict between Europeans then Christianity. That is the fact, but wilkolak is trying to prove that Christianity is the main problem in conflicts between European nations. In my opinion every non-Christian faith is the same as atheism. In Europe today old faith is worthless...

Originally Posted by Herac

Ok, so we are dead since the year 1.
Or better... we never existed, we're just an 'invention' of christendom!...

Speak for yourself ! In Croatia we are very very "alive"

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Hrvoje

Christianity is more Greek in character that it is “Semitic”.

Indeed although I'd say it's more Roman than Greek or Semitic in it's character. Christianity as we know it today is just a propganda perverted and manipulated by the Roman Emperor for political purposes and it continues to be such to this date. Original Christianity was nothing as we know it today and have known it throughout centuries. In fact even if you look the major holiday they are identical to old "pagan" holidays practicized in Rome and "pagan" Europe.

There was however the true movement of Christianity in Europe in middle ages known under the names of Cathars, Bogomils and 'good christians' but we all know what happened to them.

If someone wants to believe that Jesus was the "son of God" thats his choice but they should at least know that this was myth and propganda that was decided by vote in synod of Chaldea in 5th century.

Personally to state as Wilkolak did that he rejects something just because of being semitic in origin is just ridiculous and preposterous. It's like someone saying (s)he rejects a wheel.....I mean it's semitic in origin.