EU, Mediterranean Union… all but, not Slavic Union or Alliance? Psssst...

[Pirate]

We have to be realistic, pan-Slavism is dead no matter how much we share in common or not, if not for else it's dead because of all kinds of different imperialisms of Slavic nations trough last centuries which resulted in conflicts... I'm not blaiming particular sides or nations, but the fact is this conflicts exist regardless whose guilt it is.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Kan Yuvigi Asparukh

The last attempt for a South Slavic alliance ended in a bloodshed. Fortunately or not, my people wasn't involved in.

Strossmayer saw Bulgaria as constituent part of his envisaged South Slavic (con)federation. Fortunately for you, this original plan did not come into realization.

[Racowie]

Originally Posted by M.R.

I'm naive because of what? Not falling for the same trick twice?

what you talking about?

[Pirate]

Pan-Slavism ended with Yugoslavia here.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Racowie

to put cross on myself and to kindly ask... Why was my last post deleted? My God, by anology, if that was deleted, complete forum should be deleted.

Freedom of speach???

Your post wasn't deleted, but, along with other problematic posts of yours, moved into this thread. To view it, you have to become member of the Balkans Arena usergroup.

[Racowie]

Originally Posted by M.R.

Pan-Slavism ended with Yugoslavia here.

no, it didn`t end with Yugoslavia

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Racowie

no, it didn`t end with Yugoslavia

Perhaps the idea of Panslavism itself didn't end, but it surely showed all the negative aspects.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Racowie

well, i am rather for Slavic Alliance

Then start with Azerbaijan, Kazakstan, Turkmenistan and other countries, because the example of the "Mediterranean Union" that you put for your "Slavic Union" is actually about that. Actually, it is a bit more complex because it is an extension of the old colonial game of France and Spain in Northern Africa.

its not what Slavs want? Nobody ask them what they want. It’s about what Slavs need in order to survive as unique civilization

They do, don't they? Croats and Serbs can't see each other; no one likes Poles; Czeks don't like others; Russians are seen as the abusive big guy; and so on.

Pretty much like a "Germanic Union" would be. They can't stand each other and they don't even agree on who is and who is not, depending on who you ask.

[Racowie]

Originally Posted by Menydh

Croats and Serbs can't see each other; no one likes Poles; Czeks don't like others; Russians are seen as the abusive big guy; and so on.

Croats and Serbs can`t see each others? I do believe that Croats can`t see Serbs and for sure, Serbs does not feel necesity to see Croats.

But, what about non-Croats in Croatia? What about Dalmatians, Slavonians, Istrians, Dubrovnik?

Then,... how the hell you can say that no one love Poles? All Slavs likes Poles. Yes, even Russians and even Czechs, no matter all their mutual misunderstandings from time to time. Are you aware that Polish-Russian antagonism isn`t focused on hate between Russian-Polish people? are you aware of it? They actualy don`t hate each others. Level of respect among them is questionable but, they for sure don`t hate each others. Their antagonism is focused on misunderstandings between their elites and for one on antagonism between Poles and Russian magnates througout history, not to mention that relationship between Catholic and Orthodox Churches affects Polish-Russian historic relationship.

In the same time, Polish-Serbian relationship on the level of people (public) are on the level of strong brotherly feelings. Plus, there is great level of respect in mutual relationship. Political elite is something else. Failures are possible but, it isn`t decisive nor for Poles, nor for Serbians.

Czechs don`t like others? Well, that is especily, let`s say `weak` statement. Czechs and Serbs practicaly adore to each others. Same relationship exist among Slovaks and Serbs. Level of Slovak-Czech today`s relationship is also acceptable. Bulgarian-Serbian relationship are also acceptable. Even Slovenians and Serbians re-examine their relationship, which today isn`t that perfect but tend to consolidate. We have strong and obvious mutual interests. Etc, etc.

Russian-Serbian relationship, i won`t even comment. It`s well known that are very good. Problems between Russians and Serbians existed only when Russians (Russian Empire or Soviet Union) tried to establish hegemony over other Slavs... Poland or Czechoslovakia. That`s why, among else, other Slavs respect Serbs. They see that Serbs don`t obey to Russians but, found way to communicate with them.

You bater ask what other Slavs think about Croatia. We know that Germany respect and support Croatia but, ask other Slavs what they think...

[Menydh]

You don't sound very convincing. You sound more as if you were trying to convince yourself.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Racowie

But, what about non-Croats in Croatia? What about Dalmatians, Slavonians, Istrians, Dubrovnik?

What about Gypsies and Vlachs in Serbia (a considerable portion of the population)?

[Racowie]

Originally Posted by Marulus

What about Gypsies and Vlachs in Serbia (a considerable portion of the population)?

What has that with topic? But, after all, tell me... considerable?

There are about 100.000 Gypsies in Serbia and there is about 9 mil Serbian citizens.

Vlachs are little ethic group, about 40.000 people.

In Slovakia, you have about 400.000 Gypsies and so what? Gypsies live their paralel lives, wherever they live. Same is with Vlachs

[BeliAndjeo]

Originally Posted by Racowie

Croats and Serbs can`t see each others? I do believe that Croats can`t see Serbs and for sure, Serbs does not feel necesity to see Croats....

Mate,what is wrong with you and this Slavic union?Where were you living in the last 20th years?Under glass bell?Just read posts of Serbs and Croats on this forum and you will see how much we love each other!!Only because of forum rules we are "polite" with each other and because we share same sence of humor,nothing else!!If that is not enough for you,jump to youtube and read some comments there!Also,there you can enjoy in Yugoslavia and stuff like that till tomorrow there..Sometimes you sound like old men who were living in Yugoslavia,who were traveling all around the world with their "red passport",buying things,going to holidays twice per year...Well,mate,now i am paying for their pleasure and probably my children will..So stop with this fairy tails for good night,please!!