Polish-Serbian relations throughout history

[Racowie]

It is hard to say from when starting Polish-Serbian historical communication but, relationship is continual and originates in time immemorial.

Togather, Poles and Serbs wrote some of most interesting chapters of Slavic past, contributing greatly to Slavic, Christian and global human- universal civilization.

I would now introduce `Racowie concept of Polish Winged Cavalry`...




I saw many Polish riders go by,
They had wings but couldn't fly,
The Poles carry long lances,
A short pennant thereon,
They might instead use a cowtail.
It costs not much and serves just as well.
anon



After the clash with Turks on Kosovo Field in year 1389, where both leaders- Serbian (Prince Lazar) and Turkish (Sultan Murad I) were killed, Serbs everywhere sought an opportunity to revenges on Turks. Jan Dlugos recorded under year 1463, that in battle over Sava (there was `Cohors Raczanorum` - Serbian regiment of light calvalry), after deaths of king Matijas Korvin Serbians were invited to help against Teutons, too. So, they responded and succeeded to Poland to fight. Also, Serbs continued to fight with advancing Turks after "gusarsku/usarsku tactics" and beat them everywhere in hope that they could later push them out of Serbian lands. Anyway, Poles also accepted to fight after "Husarsku". Then, such a military concept was accepeted in Russia also, all over the Europe and even world.



Encyklopedia- Wirtualna Polska

racowie

racowie, lekka najemna jazda złożona z Serbów, znana na Węgrzech od XIV w.; w Polsce w końcu XV–pocz. XVI w. służyli w obronie potocznej.

Gear at Grunwald

RootsWeb: HERBARZ-L Re: Gear at Grunwald

"The hussar originated in Serbia towards the end of the 14th century. There are references to hussars in Poland in treasury returns of 1500, though they were probably in Polish service before this date. These early formations were foreign mercenaries, first known as Racowie from the term Rascia, 'Serbia', from the original centre of the Serbian state, Ras. The term 'hussar' probably originates not - as has been widely published - from any connections with the Hungarian husz meaning 'twenty', but from gusar, a Slavonic word meaning 'bandit'.

The Polish Winged Hussars
Researched and Written by Margaret Odrowaz-Sypniewska, B.F.A.
Courtly Lives - The Polish Winged Hussars

The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.

In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras.

[Racowie]

Zawisza Czarny

born in Poland, dedicated himself to freedom of Slavdom, gave his honorable life in Serbia for liberation of Racowie


Zawisza Czarny in a detail of Jan Matejko's Battle of Grunwald

Zawisza Czarny - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zawisza Czarny z Garbowa (Zawisza the Black of Garbów, also known as The Black Knight; c. 1379 in Stary Garbów, Poland – 1428 in Golubac, Serbia), Sulima Coat of Arms, was a famous Polish mediæval knight and diplomat.

...in 1428 during the Battle of Golubac on the Danube (Serbia) he was captured by the Turks and probably murdered.

Zawisza became for many Poles one of the most popular folks heroes thank to his exceptional bravery and proverbial reliability and loyalty. Famous is the Polish saying: "Polegaj jak na Zawiszy" (Rely on him like on Zawisza). This motto also became part of the Polish Scouts oath.

There is memorial table and water pool dedicated to Zawisza Czarny in Serbia, on the banks of Danube River, in old medieval fortress of Golubac, where once Racowie were recruited to be sent to serve Poland








For all the Poles, a monument to Zawisza Czarny in Serbia

text on the table says (translation from Serbian):

``In Golubac, his life was taken by the Turks in 1428, the famous Polish knight, the symbol of the courage and honor, Zawisza the Black. Glory to the hero!``


Sulima Coat of Arms

The family village, Garbów, is in the vicinity of Sandomierz. The masters of Garbów used the coat of arms Sulima. It was a black eagle with the yellow background and underneath three stones on a red field.

[Racowie]

ORDER OF THE DRAGON

FROM THE CHAOS

THERE IS ORDER.

FROM THE ORDER

THERE IS THE DRAGON.

WITH THE DRAGON

THERE IS VICTORY.

HAIL DRAGON! HAIL VICTORY!

It is said that famous Polish King Jan Sobieski was one of the most devoted members of this Order, founded by Serbian nobleman- Miloš Obilić. Great King did whatever he could to support Serbians and all Balkan Slavs who faced with Turkish invasion. May eternal soul of His Majesty Jan Sobieski, rest in peace. My deepest respect and thanks

Polish King, Jan III Sobieski - architect of Turkish defeat at Wiena and active member of Dragon Order (Ordo Draconis)

The famous Polish King, Jan Sobieski, the architect behind the great Turkish defeat at the gates of Vienna, also served as Grand Master between 1657 and 1696. As Hungary and Transylvania crumbled beneath the weight of the Turkish onslaught, many members of the Dragon Order fell in battle and the orientation of the surviving knights drifted further eastward. With the death of Jan Sobieski, leadership passed to Prince Dmitri Cantemir, the Despot of Moldavia, who was valiantly engaged in a conflict to stave off the Turks. Dmitiri rallied the last of the loyal Dragon knights but was ultimately defeated by the Turks and ousted from his principality. The circle of the Order had dwindled significantly and, once Cantemir died without issue, the title of Grand Master passed to Dmitri’s suzerain, Peter the Great of Russia.

IMPERIAL SOVEREIGN TIBERIAN DOBRYNIAN HOUSE OF ROME BYZANTIUM AND RUSSIA
http://www.imperialclub.net/orderofthedragon.htm

The original Order, called the Sacred Order of the Dragon of Saint George, was created by Milos Obilic, the first Serbian to be dubbed a knight in the feudal tradition. Obilic created his order with twelve other knights and the society had a single purpose at its center: The assassination of the Ottoman Sultan, Murad I. Milos Obilic achieved the aim of his organization during the disastrous battle of Kosovo Polje (June 15th, 1389), when he was able to force himself into Murad’s tent and stab the Sultan to death. All the original member of the Dragon Order fell on the field of Kosovo except for one, who survived to become the military tutor of the Serbian Prince, Stefan Lazarevic.

When Christianity clashed with Islam - Kosovo Battle, Jun 28, 1389, St. Vitus day (Sv. Vid/Vidovdan- on Serbian)

From the bottom of the hell, via Anatolia, Evil Serpent of Ottoman hordes come to swallow Serbian Empire and whole Europe then. As, respond – Dragon from the oldest Slavic traditions was needed once again. Summoned by Serbian Nobleman Voivode of Knights Miloš Obilić - dragon came. Price was life.

Serbian Nobleman, true Sarmatian- Voivode of knights Milos Obilic – the original founder of the Dragon Order (note- Dragon figure on his helmet)

Ancient Slavic culture was (is) very advanced and greatly affected traditions and achievements of complete Western world. One of those achievements, based on old Slavic heritage is Order of the Dragon- mighty protector of Christianity, Slavs and Europeans. This Earth didn’t seen Sacred Order which was glorious as this one. There wasn’t Sacred Order with members famous and controversial as members of this Order. All were willing to die for honor and given word. Many of them die. Our Lord Jesus Christ and St. Vitus were witnesses. Order effectively existed about 300 years, and was revived later. Obviously extracted from ancient Sarmatian (Proto Slavic/Slavic) heritage, in middle age re-born as Serbian, Order evolved into Slavic Order after call for brotherly support, which was sent from Serbian nobility because of Ottoman threat. Soon after, Order becomes European. Order was always open for Orthodox, Catholics and Protestants. It seams that divisions inside of Christian world didn’t affect this Order.

Serbian St. Knez - Kralj (King) Lazar Hrebeljanovic, who led Serbian Army Vs. Ottoman Turcic hordes of Sultan Murad I, in Kosovo Battle. Both leaders dies in battle.

[Heretik]

Yeah, poles and serbs are famous for their war successes.

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

Originally Posted by Heretik

Yeah, poles and serbs are famous for their war successes.

I don't know about the serbs,but if it wasn't for the poles the Balkans would probably still be under ottoman/turkish oppresion,including Croatia.

[Pro Hibernia]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

I don't know about the serbs,but if it wasn't for the poles the Balkans would probably still be under ottoman/turkish oppresion,including Croatia.

Care to elaborate on that? I really don't understand how one could say the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in in the Balkans rests solely with the Polaks.

The fall of the Ottoman Empire can almost be compared to that of the collapse of the Roman Empire.

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

Originally Posted by Višeslav

Care to elaborate on that? I really don't understand how one could say the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in in the Balkans rests solely with the Polaks.

The fall of the Ottoman Empire can almost be compared to that of the collapse of the Roman Empire.

I am not talking about the whole collapse of the Ottoman Emprie.I am talking about the battle of Vienna in 1683,when a christian army led by Sobieski crushed the turks, especially thanks to the polish winged hussars.It was at that point that the tursk started to fall back.If they had captured Vienna however,strong and easy-defendable city,they would have probably stayed there for a few centuries,before someone captured Vienna back and STARTED to push the turks back.The victory at Vienna didn't mean the destruction or defeat of the whole Ottoman Emprie,but it surely saved balkan nations from e few more centuries of slavery.

[Pro Hibernia]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

I am not talking about the whole collapse of the Ottoman Emprie.I am talking about the battle of Vienna in 1683,when a christian army led by Sobieski crushed the turks, especially thanks to the polish winged hussars.It was at that point that the tursk started to fall back.If they had captured Vienna however,strong and easy-defendable city,they would have probably stayed there for a few centuries,before someone captured Vienna back and STARTED to push the turks back.The victory at Vienna didn't mean the destruction or defeat of the whole Ottoman Emprie,but it surely saved balkan nations from e few more centuries of slavery.

You said that it was due to Polaks that the Ottomans rule in the Balkans was over. You forget to add that it was a mixed army led by Sobieski, and not just a Polak army.

Plus, it never saved the Balkans, it saved central Europe. The Ottomans still retained control over most of the Balkans. Eugene of Savoy only re-conquered Hungary and, temporarily, parts of the Balkans.

I don't think the Balkans owe Polaks anything. The allied forces saved central Europe, not the Balkans. The decline of the Ottoman Rule in the Balkans was connected to a vast array of variables, from the economical implications of trying to maintain a large empire, and Nationalism within the Balkan countries them selves.

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

Originally Posted by Višeslav

You said that it was due to Polaks that the Ottomans rule in the Balkans was over. You forget to add that it was a mixed army led by Sobieski, and not just a Polak army.

Plus, it never saved the Balkans, it saved central Europe. The Ottomans still retained control over most of the Balkans. Eugene of Savoy only re-conquered Hungary and, temporarily, parts of the Balkans.

I don't think the Balkans owe Polaks anything. The allied forces saved central Europe, not the Balkans. The decline of the Ottoman Rule in the Balkans was connected to a vast array of variables, from the economical implications of trying to maintain a large empire, and Nationalism within the Balkan countries them selves.

It didn't just save central Europe,because if they have taken Vienna they would hold it for at least 100 years before someone took it back and this meanst atleast another 100 slavery for all balkan nations.If the turks have conquered Vienna they would become even stronger and continue conquering into the heart of Europe,which would mean centuries of slavery for balkan nations.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Višeslav

Plus, it never saved the Balkans, it saved central Europe. The Ottomans still retained control over most of the Balkans. Eugene of Savoy only re-conquered Hungary and, temporarily, parts of the Balkans.

I don't think the Balkans owe Polaks anything. The allied forces saved central Europe, not the Balkans. The decline of the Ottoman Rule in the Balkans was connected to a vast array of variables, from the economical implications of trying to maintain a large empire, and Nationalism within the Balkan countries them selves.

And not to forget the Russians, who he hates so much. Yet it was the Russians who liberated Bulgaria from Ottoman hegemony, during the Russo-Turkish War of 1877 - 1878.

p.s. amazingly enough, he admits being 25% Bulgarian

[Pro Hibernia]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

It didn't just save central Europe,because if they have taken Vienna they would hold it for at least 100 years before someone took it back and this meanst atleast another 100 slavery for all balkan nations.If the turks have conquered Vienna they would become even stronger and continue conquering into the heart of Europe,which would mean centuries of slavery for balkan nations.

After the battle, the Balkans still had Ottoman rule. The Battle of Vienna didn't put an end to Ottoman rule in the Balkans, it put a stop to Ottoman expansion in central Europe.

You're being a fool in saying that the Balkans owe Polaks for the Battle of Vienna, as if it was the defining factor in the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in the Balkans, which it wasn't. Resistance from the Balkan peoples them selves had more to do with it than the Battle of Vienna.

[Pro Hibernia]

Originally Posted by Menydh

And not to forget the Russians, who he hates so much. Yet it was the Russians who liberated Bulgaria from Ottoman hegemony, during the Russo-Turkish War of 1877 - 1878.

You lie! The Soviet Peoples were pro-Turkish atni-European! .

p.s. amazingly enough, he admits being 25% Bulgarian

He considers him self a Polak and a Bulgar at the same time, therefore it is not suprising he supports the EU, where he can blend these two ethnicities in the articifial European superstate under the artificial "European" ethnicity.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Višeslav

He considers him self a Polak and a Bulgar at the same time, therefore it is not suprising he supports the EU, where he can blend these two ethnicities in the articifial European superstate under the artificial "European" ethnicity.

Not to mention that he slanders the Eastern Orthodox and yet Bulgaria is... History of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

Originally Posted by Menydh

Not to mention that he slanders the Eastern Orthodox and yet Bulgaria is... History of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church

When did i slander Orthodoxy?!I wrote orthodox church in Belarus is totally controlled by the regime.Isn't that right?Just as bulgarian church was controlled by the regime during communism.Read a bit more about communism and its way to control the suciety,including the church and talk to some bulgarians about it before saying i slander orthodoxy as a whole.