Slavic Ethnogenesis

[Vojvoda]

http://home.iprimus.com.au/microweb/slavic/

[Heretik]

Nothing new, but one good website.

[White Falcon]

Just from a quick look ,
Serbo-Croatian again.

[Zrinski]

Yes funny how Rusyn is made apart from Ukranian, then also Slovak from Czech, Macedonian from Bulgarian, but they put Croatian and Serbian again in one group...idiots...

[Pandur]

Another 'interesting' site from the opposite side of the No Man's Land.

[Nestor]

Interesting write up but in some areas difficient.

The treatment of Russia and Russian language needs revision, in particular there should be a division between the Novgorod language and the language that spread into Moscovy which was taken up by ethnically nonslav peoples.

They spell Ukrainian wrong and have catagorised Rusyn's as a seperate people rather than a subgroup, (something that has quite recent and in dispute) while at the same time uniting Serbs and Croatians????

The use of the term Old Russian is also incorrect It should be Rus', Old Rus'

There is a difference between the terms Rossiya and Rus' however here both are translated as Russia which smacks of Imperial Russian thinking.

[Ross]

The Russian language is the direct descendant of the language of Ancient Rus. The Ukrainian "language" is just a bunch of more or less bastardized dialect, which has little to do with the Old Russian language.

COMPARE:

("Slovo o polku Igoreve" - Russian adaptation - Ukrainian translation)

Вступита,___________Вступите же,_________А вступіть же,
господина___________господа,____________панове-браття,
въ злато стремень___в золотые стремена___в золоте стремено
за обиду_____________за обиду_____________за кривду
сего времени,_______сего времени,_________сьогочасну,
за землю Рускую,____за землю Русскую,_____за землю Руську,
за раны Игоревы,_____за раны Игоревы,_____за рани Ігореві,
буего_________________буйного___________хороброго
Святьславлича !_______Святославича !______Святославича !

[kestutisturbo]

The new point of wiev about the Slavic and Baltic origins I presented in
http://kestutisturbo.sitesled.com/

but first the old model of indoeuropean must be denyed like in

The model of indoeuropean similarities

[dime]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

Yes funny how Rusyn is made apart from Ukranian, then also Slovak from Czech, Macedonian from Bulgarian, but they put Croatian and Serbian again in one group...idiots...

bulgarian is "made apart" from macedonian
when the slavs came in the the 6th century they traveled thorough slovenia don south to the agean sea and then started moving towards Czarigrad/Constantinople

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by dime

bulgarian is "made apart" from macedonian
when the slavs came in the the 6th century they traveled thorough slovenia don south to the agean sea and then started moving towards Czarigrad/Constantinople

Macedonian is mutually intelligible with Bulgarian as much Croatian is with Serbian. Having one as separate and the other is one is a contradiction.

[dime]

macedonian and bulgarian are not as close as croatian and serbian

but i understand what u r trying to say

[jarlSigvald]

Originally Posted by Ross

The Russian language is the direct descendant of the language of Ancient Rus. The Ukrainian "language" is just a bunch of more or less bastardized dialect, which has little to do with the Old Russian language.

COMPARE:

("Slovo o polku Igoreve" - Russian adaptation - Ukrainian translation)

Вступита,___________Вступите же,_________А вступіть же,
господина___________господа,____________панове-браття,
въ злато стремень___в золотые стремена___в золоте стремено
за обиду_____________за обиду_____________за кривду
сего времени,_______сего времени,_________сьогочасну,
за землю Рускую,____за землю Русскую,_____за землю Руську,
за раны Игоревы,_____за раны Игоревы,_____за рани Ігореві,
буего_________________буйного___________хороброго
Святьславлича !_______Святославича !______Святославича !

what is actually a "bastardizied dialect"???

[svin]

That's just Ross' opinion (he has bias against Ukrainians). It's not true, and it's not bastardized.