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RADICAL FEMINISTS: USEFUL IDIOTS
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A useful idiot is someone who, while zealously promoting one cause, ends up advancing a very different one through stupidity, naivete or inattention. The useful idiot never sees the big picture. Vladimir Lenin, the first Soviet dictator, is credited with coining the phrase, although according to P. Boller and J. George’s They Never Said It, he—well—most likely never said it. Not even in Russian. Whatever its origins, the phrase sometimes comes in handy.
My first two experiences with radical feminists in academia didn’t make much of an impact on me until later. The first was in Fall 1987 at Clemson University in Clemson, South Carolina. It was my first full-time job out of graduate school, and I was making a presentation on what was then my area of expertise: theories about the conceptual foundations of science and the dynamics of scientific change. After outlining four such theories, I took questions. At one point a female graduate student put up her hand and wanted to know to what extent I could relate the scarcity of women in science to scientific method. I hadn’t thought about it. The question had never occurred to me. A few women have made major contributions to science. Madame Curie comes to mind. Their methods weren’t different than those of men, so I considered the range of methods employed in the sciences to be gender-neutral. The relative scarcity of women in science I attributed mostly to women’s overall lack of interest in science. My politically incorrect answer caused me no problems at the time. This was, after all, before the main wave of feminist incursions into academia and the rise of political correctness (speech control, thought control).
The second incident occurred a few months later at an American Philosophical Association (APA) meeting where I had a job interview. The APA is the largest organization of philosophy professors in the country. What I saw and heard was from the hall because of an unusually large, overflow crowd. A somewhat diminutive woman was being verbally attacked—hissed at, in fact!—by an audience that seemed to be mostly women. None of the panelists (also women) came to her defense. The meeting—supposedly of adults and professionals—disintegrated into chaos. I wasn’t sure what I had seen until months later, when reports began circulating and angry letters to the editor began appearing in the association’s flagship journal.
The diminutive woman, I learned, was Christina Hoff Sommers, a then-unknown professor at tiny Clark College in Massachusetts. She had read a paper on “Feminists Against the Family,” arguing just that to an audience unused to having its basic premises questioned. Sommers had concluded that feminists in academia were more interested in promoting revolutionary social change than in furthering a responsible exchange of ideas. Their ends justified their means. Among the ends they wanted was an end to the traditional, nuclear (two-parent) family. According to their Marxist view of things, the family is a repository of gender-oppression. Men are bourgeois; women are proletariat. Such notions, however contrived and unoriginal, took academia by storm in the 1980s and even more so in the 1990s.
Sommers distinguished between “liberal” feminism and “gender” (radical) feminism. The first promoted, e.g., equal pay for equal work, and opposed discrimination. The latter is a full-fledged worldview that subjects every institution of society to scrutiny through the lens of gender. Sommers had no quarrel with the former; she had plenty of quarrels with the latter. Its influence, which puts science under the gender microscope along with everything else, explained the question from the Clemson graduate student.
I met Sommers a couple of years later. My interests had begun shifting from the foundations of scientific method to political thought and the foundations of a free society. I was interested in libertarian ideas and was networking with other libertarian philosophers, several of whom had befriended her. We were all outsiders, after all, because we were not collectivists. Based on what Sommers had to say, and on a few of her articles, I took a look at so-called “feminist scholarship.” What I found jolted me. One radical feminist called Newton’s and Bacon’s ideas about scientific method a “rape manual” (they spoke of “penetrating” nature’s secrets—get it?). Another compared a romantic candlelight dinner to prostitution. These are just two examples, and not even the weirdest (don’t ask!). Around this time it surfaced that a “feminist legal theorist, ” Catharine A. MacKinnon, had compared voluntary sexual intercourse to rape. That oversimplifies somewhat; what she says is that in “male-dominated, patriarchical, heterosexist society” the line between voluntary consent and coercion is blurred, so that in sexual relations between men and women a fine distinction between “voluntary” intercourse and rape can’t be drawn. Yup: under the insidious patriarchy, men as a collective are potential rapists; women are helpless victims.
It seemed like a sick joke to me. Men dominating women? Where? At the time I couldn’t even get a date, much less find someone to dominate. Approach an academic woman? I’d have to have been out of my mind! But these people were being lionized and treated as heroines who had cracked the academic “glass ceiling,” and whose “scholarship” was “cutting edge.” They were employed permanently by their institutions and paid comfortable salaries, while guys like myself struggled to survive as academic cheap labor. We migrated from school to school to school on “visiting assistant professor” contracts or “adjunct” appointments every one, two or three years.
It would not have been as bad if the world according to radical feminism weren’t pure fantasy. There is no “patriarchy”! The courts clearly favor women in divorce and child custody cases, and have for years. Women tend to live longer then men—possibly because men have long tended to work in more hazardous occupations, and are far more likely to die of work-related injuries than women. Far more attention is paid to—and government money spent on—women’s health issues than men’s health issues. Men have always been the ones to fight and die in wars, or suffer war-related disabilities. (Radical feminists apparently want as many women killed or maimed in wars as men—hence “women in combat.”)
Radical feminist “research” on academic topics like the philosophy of science is often just silly. Some of their proposals, e.g., for “female friendly science,” seem to invite ridicule—which they sometimes receive, as when around 1990 a responsible woman philosopher named Marguerita Levin asked sarcastically whether “feminist airplanes would stay aloft for feminist engineers” (“Science and Feminism,” The American Scholar). The more I investigated affirmative action programs, the clearer it became that they explained the growing influence of radical feminism (also multiculturalism and other chicaneries of the politically correct era). At the root was the longstanding commitment to collectivism generally. Preferential hiring for “diversity” had led to a free fall in quality control. Political correctness, when it rushed across the landscape like a tornado in the 1990s, made the free fall semi-permanent. (Now to be sure, academic philosophy wasn’t setting the world on fire before this nonsense started, but that’s another article.)
Christina Hoff Sommers went on to write Who Stole Feminism? (1994). Under sustained attack in academia, she dropped her APA membership and finally left teaching for a research position at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington. There she researched and wrote The War Against Boys (2000).
Today, the fruits of radical feminism are everywhere in evidence. The nuclear family is in trouble (although in fairness this is due more to the collapse of real, debauched-dollar-adjusted wages forcing both parents to work). Radical feminists dominate many academic humanities departments, including where I did my graduate work; they are well represented in many administrations at four-year research institutions; they control professional groups such as the Modern Language Association. Much contemporary “scholarship” is predictably sex-drenched and gender-obsessed.
Meanwhile, enrollment statistics over the past few years indicate a fall-off in men enrolling in four-year institutions. This has begun to attract national attention. Recent stats indicate that the percentage of men on college and university campuses has fallen to 43 percent nationwide, with some institutions falling under 40 percent. This is treated like a great mystery: why are men falling behind? To those of us who have watched gender politics in academe since the 1980s, the answer is obvious. No man with self-respect is going to sit in a classroom, at the mercy of a radical feminist professor’s denunciations, if he has an alternative. With political correctness shackling free speech, men are speaking with their feet. Some are going to less-politicized technical colleges. Others are choosing occupations that don’t require a four-year degree.
Has radical feminism helped women? A better question might be: was it intended to help women? Some think not. Many women have the careers feminism promised—but also kids born out of wedlock, from one-night stands and the feminist conviction that “a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.” They come home from work exhausted and then have one or more kids to handle. The result: stress, exhaustion, burn-out. Boys, meanwhile, grow up without proper male role models. One of the effects of radical feminism is the feminization of boys and men. Masculine assertiveness is “out”; “metrosexual” sensitivity is “in”—a recipe for trouble. As Christina Hoff Sommers argues convincingly, normal boys just aren’t wired that way.
Some men are consciously deciding to stay single. They will not approach women, in college or at work, out of fear of guilty-if-charged “sexual harassment” allegations. And with one in two marriages ending in divorce, they are justifiably afraid of being cleaned out—of having their finances destroyed by divorce courts that favor women. Worse still, more than one man has had his life ruined by malicious child-molestation allegations. Again, guilty if charged. Not to mention the emotional devastation to kids after watching their parents fight, sometimes for years.
All of which presages a lot of people—of both sexes—growing older alone.
Could it be that someone wants things this way, because when people’s—especially children’s—families are dismembered and they are psychologically cut off from the most important support network a person can have in an impersonal, materialistic society, they are vulnerable? How does all this tie in with my opening paragraph?
In a recent interview with The New American (June 12, 2006), Aaron Russo, currently of America: Freedom to Fascism fame, reports how he once defended his sympathy with the women’s movement and with equal opportunity to an unnamed member of the Rockefeller clan. Russo describes the chilling response: “He looked at me and said, ‘You know, you’re such an idiot in some ways. We … created the women’s movement, and we promote it. And it’s not about equal opportunity. It’s designed to get both parents out of the home and into the workforce, where they will pay taxes. And then we can decide how the children will be raised and educated.’”
Behind the feminist movement, like a shadow, was the super elite lusting for control—over men, over women, over children, over the workplace, over education, eventually over society itself. Radical feminists—obsessed with gender politics but never looking behind the scenes—have been great useful idiots for over 40 years. Feminism was never really about women or their opportunities, which is why its benefits, viewed objectively, turn out to be illusory. A lot of women have filled their prescribed roles unwittingly. Still more have followed their leaders naively. Political correctness has been a good tool for gaining the cooperation of men—or, at least, intimidating many of them into silence. Thus today’s “feminized” order: women don’t trust men; men don’t trust women. Women have careers in record numbers; their children are in state-sponsored daycare where they begin their indoctrination into New World Order globalism and the Earth Charter. Neither men nor women have lives. Neither pays significant attention to their real enemies at the top.
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This is not just true for Feminism, but for other aspects of academic science as well. Especially if its about social and economic sciences.
For all this areas, including anthropology, human biology, one thing is true, the 1990's "politically correct" movement was a major turn and finally destroyed free speech and free opinion making in the West. After the fall of Communism the plutocratic Oligarchy of the West thought that all major enemies lying on the ground and its no longer necessary to be as hypocritical any more - people have no alternative anyway. Now we are on the way to a half-totalitarian controll state under the rule of a plutocratic oligarchy and the "Fight against Terror" producing just even more "useful *****" for the their interests.
Aaron Russo, being mentioned in the text, should be heard too:
"Freedom to Fascism" : A must see movie
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Radical feminists dominate many academic humanities departments, including where I did my graduate work; they are well represented in many administrations at four-year research institutions; they control professional groups such as the Modern Language Association. Much contemporary “scholarship” is predictably sex-drenched and gender-obsessed.

So, is it wrong because white women are succesful and smart? White women doomed at home 2,000 years ago,We don't have any rights, such as political voice, Education, Ecnomic and stuff like that. I think radical feminists had contributed much to white women. As as Swedish girl I have learnt, my rights are equal as men. At the same time i do value nuclear famliy. It always depends how feminist you want to be

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Feminists ruined things for women in the whole "free love" thing. "Hey, chivlarous, respectful men are patriarchal! Let's just have sex with whoever! That's so safe and the men are totally going to be respectful!"
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Feminists ruined things for women in the whole "free love" thing.

It depends how you see it, everything is bad if you look in a negative perpectives, yeah free love, free sex, but noone is puting a knief on your neck to do it. What matter is I have options that all.
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Feminism was great from the selfish male's point of view.

1) Get women to stop freeloading and have them earn their own money

2) Promote single parent families so the promiscous man can shirk his paternal responsibilities

3) Have an abundant supply of easy, promiscous women available.


How could we possibly get women to accept such a bad deal?
Easy - we tell them that it is their right to live like this and by doing so they are being "empowered" and successful.

And sure enough they fell for it - hook, line and sinker.
Suckers!


Seriously, there are loads of modern situations which are extremely harmful and disadvantageous. But you can get people not only to accept them but also fight to preserve such horrible circumstances by telling them that it is their cherished right. "Rights" is a magic word which can get people to accept just about any shit you through at them.

If I was a woman, I'd be seriously pissed off at what "Feminism" (which is a complete misnomer as it is a rejection of everything truly feminine) had done for me.
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[quote=Milesian;90919]Feminism was great from the selfish male's point of view.

1) Get women to stop freeloading and have them earn their own money

And that is a crime ?

2) Promote single parent families so the promiscous man can shirk his paternal responsibilities

Yeah so we have choices? And that is wrong ? I would never marry or have a child with a non nordic. We all have choices and its a huge crime ?

3) Have an abundant supply of easy, promiscous women available.

Nahhh its your own conclusion


How could we possibly get women to accept such a bad deal?
Easy - we tell them that it is their right to live like this and by doing so they are being "empowered" and successful.

And sure enough they fell for it - hook, line and sinker.
Suckers!

Perhaps Irish women might go for it, not swedish, anyway nice try. I enjoy you funny little joke. You are Irish ? Right?

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You should speak with Scáthach.
She just loves Feminists
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You should speak with Scáthach.
She just loves Feminists

Lol Cheers ej

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And that is a crime ?
No, did I say it was?

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Yeah so we have choices? And that is wrong ? I would never marry or have a child with a non nordic. We all have choices and its a huge crime ?
All I said was that it really benefits irresponsible men who like to use women and then be done with them. You disagree?

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Have a look around and draw the same conclusion.

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Perhaps Irish women might go for it, not swedish, anyway nice try.
There are no Swedish feminists? That really is interesting. Why do you think this is?
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If I was a woman, I'd be seriously pissed off at what "Feminism" (which is a complete misnomer as it is a rejection of everything truly feminine) had done for me.
Which I am.

Random men can try to date me with beautiful prose such as "hey, you wanna fuck?" ... chivalry, please!
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Which I am.

Random men can try to date me with beautiful prose such as "hey, you wanna fuck?" ... chivalry, please!
Doesn't it just make you feel so empowered & in control of your life now that you don't get treated as a lady.
Now get out there and get to work. I'll send you $300 a month maintainence to raise our child so long as I don't have to bother with either of you again. I'm too busy "empowering" all those other "sexually liberated" women out there to bother with being saddled with a family .........damned feminism has made life so tough for us cads

Really, if I were to create a motto for feminism it would be -

"Misogyny - it's not just for men anymore"


It is one half of what appears to be an advanced form of Social Engineering in which women are being made more masculine and the Metrosexual lifestyle is turning men more effeminate.
If the purpose is to create an androgynous population, it might explain why they are so keen to develop cloning. Huxley's Brave New World stands as one of the most prophetic works of the last few centuries.
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Doesn't it just make you feel so empowered & in control of your life now that you don't get treated as a lady.
Now get out there and get to work. I'll send you $300 a month maintainence to raise our child so long as I don't have to bother with either of you again. I'm too busy "empowering" all those other "sexually liberated" women out there to bother with being saddled with a family .........damned feminism has made life so tough for us cads

Really, if I were to create a motto for feminism it would be -

"Misogyny - it's not just for men anymore"


It is one half of what appears to be an advanced form of Social Engineering in which women are being made more masculine and the Metrosexual lifestyle is turning men more effeminate.
If the purpose is to create an androgynous population, it might explain why they are so keen to develop cloning. Huxley's Brave New World stands as one of the most prophetic works of the last few centuries.
I could be empowered and in control of my life if I was treated with respect and like a lady too...

One thing I do not understand with this new view on the part of men-- if they do not want to look after the child, why are they always so against abortion? :\ And why is it always the woman who has to look after the child?

The masculine/feminine thing happens naturally later in life when it is impossible to have children (menopause/loss of testosterone in men)... But I think men should be less effeminate. It's annoying.
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I could be empowered and in control of my life if I was treated with respect and like a lady too...
Of course you could, but men are conditioned not to these days.
For several decades now, treating women as women has been seen as patronising. The older generation here frequently comment that even simple things like being a gentleman and holding a door open for a woman or letting her through first has now disappeared. Of course it has, because women started resenting it and calling men patronising for doing such things.
To show respect for women became an insult to them because they wanted to be treated like men. Obviously, men took the message and stopped treating them that way. I think women were far more empowered in the past when they were wives and mothers. Now they are simply treated as sex objects and competitors in the workplace. But the blame cannot be laid totally at the feet of men. Their behaviour has simply adapted to the new behaviour of women. When they are then berated for not treating women with respect (ie. treating them like women), it's no wonder there is much confusion created.

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One thing I do not understand with this new view on the part of men-- if they do not want to look after the child, why are they always so against abortion? :\
This is a seperate question. It is not accurate to say men are against abortion and women are in favour. There are plenty of women in the pro-life movement & their are plenty of men who pressure women into having an abortion. This is an issue which cuts across genders and is primarily an ethical argument. I won't go into it here as it has been covered extensively on other threads.

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And why is it always the woman who has to look after the child?
Mainly because the maternal bond is even more powerful than the paternal one & most women fight to keep the children (even when they are neglectful & it's done simply to spite the father). But I know of more than one family where the woman has run off with a new lover and abandoned both husband and kids without a trace of remorse.

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But I think men should be less effeminate. It's annoying.
As the usertitle of one of Mynydd's old pals read (taken from a perfume advert) -

Ladies - If you want him to be more of a man, try being more of a woman
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Of course you could, but men are conditioned not to these days.
For several decades now, treating women as women has been seen as patronising. The older generation here frequently comment that even simple things like being a gentleman and holding a door open for a woman or letting her through first has now disappeared. Of course it has, because women started resenting it and calling men patronising for doing such things.
To show respect for women became an insult to them because they wanted to be treated like men. Obviously, men took the message and stopped treating them that way. I think women were far more empowered in the past when they were wives and mothers. Now they are simply treated as sex objects and competitors in the workplace. But the blame cannot be laid totally at the feet of men. Their behaviour has simply adapted to the new behaviour of women. When they are then berated for not treating women with respect (ie. treating them like women), it's no wonder there is much confusion created.


This is a seperate question. It is not accurate to say men are against abortion and women are in favour. There are plenty of women in the pro-life movement & their are plenty of men who pressure women into having an abortion. This is an issue which cuts across genders and is primarily an ethical argument. I won't go into it here as it has been covered extensively on other threads.


Mainly because the maternal bond is even more powerful than the paternal one & most women fight to keep the children (even when they are neglectful & it's done simply to spite the father). But I know of more than one family where the woman has run off with a new lover and abandoned both husband and kids without a trace of remorse.


As the usertitle of one of Mynydd's old pals read (taken from a perfume advert) -

Ladies - If you want him to be more of a man, try being more of a woman
I was so happy when an older gentleman held open the door for me when I was going to the grocer's. In fact, he held the door open for me when I left too and I said "thank you very much" to him both times. Why can't more people be like this? It doesn't hurt to be polite!

Yes.. this is the problem with feminism... I do not want to be treated like a man. I do not have any kind of male equipment-- I don't expect to be treated like a male.

Yeah.. sorry about that random abortion thing. I was just thinking about it and was thinking about how women are always left with the kid...

Yes.. women can be very selfish and callous due to this "empowerment" I think.. they can't be satisfied with what they have.
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