The roles of male & female have become distorted...

[Scorpion]

Women complain about men and about 'womens' equality.....Some females are rather annoyed at the world of male ego-dominated stupidity, selfishness, greed and downright disrespect for the well-being, of the so-called kingdom they claim to rule & control.

The only reason women have seemingly made 'bitches' of themselves in the way of standing up & taking care of matters..is because males have proved themselves unworthy.

Females would gladly be the devoted child bearer, house-keeper and beautifully sweet of nature & appearance...because it is in our nature.....and naturally men would be the equal/balanced counterpart... strong and brave, keeper of the home, logical and caring.....
Not some bad tempered, ego maniac brat child boy. Alot of men can't even provide for a woman & a product of his loins. (both mentally & financially)...

It is no wonder that alot of us females have a bad view on men...though I admit I actually prefer males as personal friends..

ARghhh!...Why does the differences between the sexes seem so great....Aren't we supposed to mate and get along?.... Why do males automatically think they are superior? Why are women raped & victims of violence? Why are expecting parents usually wanting to have a boy?.

I am sick of this penis worship.

[Prussian]

Well historically Men have been the type that forge kingdoms, engage in wars & politics, it is their nature in the broad sense of what History has shown us. Females have in turn been the child bearers & housekeepers whilst the men tend to their duties. Of course there are minor exceptions in individual's from both genders but traditionally the roles stand as above.

It's just a sign of the times, it's not only women that have a poor image of men in the modern sense. It works both ways due to political programmes trying to blur & distort the roles through misinformed facts & thus changing the collective sense of each gender.

The equality of men & women is found in their importance in providing a certain role & thus fulfilling them, but the difference is both roles are entirely different in what they involve.

What we see now is just the result of modern social engineering on the basis of gender that rejects the traditional evolutionary path of both gender's roles. A sad but true reality.

You'll find in circles of Nationalism there is a great rejection of Ultra-feminist views, thus being more in favour of the traditional gender balance society once operated on as a collective, the modern unbalance is societies undoing. We all have our roles & importance in fulfilling them, thus the balance is found in this alone.

[Gil]

My opinion is this:

I leave the office at 17:25, arriving at my home around 18.00. I take the dog out for 15 minutes. Then I go inside, clean whatever is dirty, wash any dishes and start preparing dinner. Around 19.15 my wife arrives home. Either the dinner is already done and the table ready or i'm almost done with it. Around 19.30 we have dinner. After dinner I wash the dishes. Occasionally I clean the entire house, bathroom included, and water the plants and clean whatever is necessary. Now, ain't I the perfect husband?

My point is, somedays I arrive home and i'm a wreck, either I had a filled day or simply a migraine, and my wife takes care of everything....which means, IMHO, that in order for a family to "work well" both husband and wife must share the duties.

Originally Posted by Scorpion

I am sick of this penis worship

yo, worship it!

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

Women complain about men and about 'womens' equality.....Some females are rather annoyed at the world of male ego-dominated stupidity, selfishness, greed and downright disrespect for the well-being, of the so-called kingdom they claim to rule & control.

So much nonsense..

Through the millenia men have been providing for their homes, both working themselves to exhaustion and giving their lifes to defend them. That's a sacrifice that requires much unselfishness and a lot of respect and love for their families.

The only reason women have seemingly made 'bitches' of themselves in the way of standing up & taking care of matters..is because males have proved themselves unworthy.

More nonsense. Things were fine and the world was progressing until women began bitching around because they were bored with taking care of their duties.

Females would gladly be the devoted child bearer, house-keeper and beautifully sweet of nature & appearance...because it is in our nature...

Some would.. and do, others just prefer to be eternal whiners.

and naturally men would be the equal/balanced counterpart... strong and brave, keeper of the home, logical and caring...
Not some bad tempered, ego maniac brat child boy. Alot of men can't even provide for a woman & a product of his loins. (both mentally & financially)...

Provide for a woman.. won't you mean fulfilling all her whims and take her out of the misery where she got herself into?

I know that that's the case for many.

It is no wonder that alot of us females have a bad view on men...though I admit I actually prefer males as personal friends..

LOL. The most important thing that I look on a friend is loyalty and nobility. Which is why my friends are males. And which is also why there are women who don't like other women as friends, because they know only too well that they are not going to find the same among those of their own gender.

ARghhh!...Why does the differences between the sexes seem so great....Aren't we supposed to mate and get along?....

Why didn't you ask that 400 hundred years ago when being equal meant for many to wake up before dawn, work all day hard, and only return home after dusk?

Why do males automatically think they are superior?

Superior? I wonder where you are coming from (don't tell me, I know ). Not being equal does not automatically equate to being superior/inferior.

Why are women raped & victims of violence?

Yes, now blame all men for a handful of degenerated b'stards.

Let me ask you a different question... why there are so many women who prefer the rough and pimpy types, rejecting the honest and decent ones? We have all seen hundred of times how they return to the man that ill-treats them. Who is the stupid here?

Why are expecting parents usually wanting to have a boy?

Most probably a matter of an inherited sense of survival. Not that long ago having a boy meant that there would be another hand to provide for the household, whereas having a girl little more than another mouth to feed. Which, by the way, negates your claim that men don't provide.

I am sick of this penis worship.

Maybe you are confusing religious beliefs with men and women relations?

[Scorpion]

Mynydd....

Females have only whined because males have acted like little boys...(throughout all history)
Causing uproar & trouble...Men are the biggest bitches and trouble-makers....

[Menydh]

Cutting the stone, the tree, and shaping them to build a shelter, a home for their women and children. Waking up before dawn, to go working all day long be it hot as in hell in the southern latitudes or freezing as in hades in the northern latitudes, to plough the land and grow the foods to feed their women and children. Or venturing in the mounts and forests to hunt for food, or defying the seas on shaky boats for fish.

Defending their homes and their lands, their families, from the invading hordes and many other assorted dangers with their blood. Or simply to acquire more land that allowed them to provide better for their families.

Crossing landmasses and oceans, during long months and even years away from their homes and their families, only to bring them more.


No time left for whining and bitching. You should kiss the soil that those men stepped, and worship those feet, hands and brains.

You don't like what you see today? Don't forget that you are much to blame for what is left.

[Gil]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Cutting the stone, the tree, and shaping them to build a shelter, a home for their women and children. Waking up before dawn, to go working all day long be it hot as in hell in the southern latitudes or freezing as in hades in the northern latitudes, to plough the land and grow the foods to feed their women and children. Or venturing in the mounts and forests to hunt for food, or defying the seas on shaky boats for fish.

Defending their homes and their lands, their families, from the invading hordes and many other assorted dangers with their blood. Or simply to acquire more land that allowed them to provide better for their families.

Crossing landmasses and oceans, during long months and even years away from their homes and their families, only to bring them more.


No time left for whining and bitching. You should kiss the soil that those men stepped, and worship those feet, hands and brains.

You don't like what you see today? Don't forget that you are much to blame for what is left.

Damn, that was the best eulogy for Mankind i've ever read. ANd i'm not kidding or being sarcastic.

[Scoob]

I think that modern culture encourages men to behave as boys rather than men.

Part of this is because in (some) traditional cultures, brothers and fathers protected the dignity of their sisters and daughters. If some guy slept with a girl and then left her, he might get hurt by the young woman's brothers or fathers. Modern "Americanized" culture is more laissez-faire.

Making sex up to individual "pleasure" has removed the social safety net. When there are no penalties for bad behavior and no one teaching young boys to be men, then many men do remain boys: they think manhood means being a little Casanova or ghetto-style "playa."

As a guy, I tend to blame men for all this rather than women. In the end, I think most women can and do recognize a good man and tend to honor him. Men tend to see a good woman as a threat to their boyhood.

[trinacria]

I must say that I, as a woman, think men are absolutely beautiful creatures and I cannot thank them enough for being the providers, the caretakers. The feeling of a man's warm embrace is without parallel in this world. I think that there are certain roles in a marriage (let's assume we're talking about marriage here): the man is the protector, the one who provides for the woman in terms of security, the provider*. The woman is the nurturer, the child bearer, the one to rub his tired back after his day at work. I do not agree with overly feministic views but I am all for women going out and getting jobs and bringing home money as well as men caring for children.

*I must also say that I am sort of a feminist in the sense that a woman's job is not just to stay home and watch babies all day. Only a fool would expect that. Women can, and should work, just as men do. However, women should ALSO nurture and save time for children, as this is a great, important, beautiful, and distinctly feminine thing to do.

And to close, I see nothing wrong with "penis worship", Scorpion. If you're in a monogamous relationship, why not? It's a beautiful thing. Or maybe I'm just a swarthy, romantic Med. That's probably why.

[Scoob]

Originally Posted by trinacria

*I must also say that I am sort of a feminist in the sense that a woman's job is not just to stay home and watch babies all day. Only a fool would expect that. Women can, and should work, just as men do. However, women should ALSO nurture and save time for children, as this is a great, important, beautiful, and distinctly feminine thing to do.

There's no reason for a woman to sit at home bored all day. One aspect of the new trend towards part-time jobs is that women can do them and still have time to take care of young kids if they want to.

For certain types of jobs, for instance jobs involving fine manual dexterity, women are better qualified than men. This even includes things like computer chip assembly, etc.

[trinacria]

Absolutely. I just wanted to stress that point because I had an ex boyfriend who was an EXTREMIST. He wanted me to sit home and have a little of babies.

[Figlio della Lupa]

Originally Posted by trinacria

I must say that I, as a woman, think men are absolutely beautiful creatures and I cannot thank them enough for being the providers, the caretakers. The feeling of a man's warm embrace is without parallel in this world. I think that there are certain roles in a marriage (let's assume we're talking about marriage here): the man is the protector, the one who provides for the woman in terms of security, the provider*. The woman is the nurturer, the child bearer, the one to rub his tired back after his day at work. I do not agree with overly feministic views but I am all for women going out and getting jobs and bringing home money as well as men caring for children.

*I must also say that I am sort of a feminist in the sense that a woman's job is not just to stay home and watch babies all day. Only a fool would expect that. Women can, and should work, just as men do. However, women should ALSO nurture and save time for children, as this is a great, important, beautiful, and distinctly feminine thing to do.

This is one of the many reasons why I love this girl! Traditional relationships are a great thing, especially if both parters have mutual respect of their significant other and the role that they play. Let women be women and let men be men. A woman who works isn't less of a woman, especially if she HAS to do it because the family can't make ends meet in a one salary household. Generally wealthier families have stay at home moms because they can financially handle it.

Nevertheless, in addition to any secondary job that the father and/or mother may have, the first and primary job should be the traditional one, that is nurture by the mother, and protection by the father. It is not the fault of just one sex: There is a loss in today's society of BOTH the female-nurturer, and the male-protector, which is one of the reason why society is in decline since the family forms the foundation of it, and once the family unit is broken, it all comes tumbling down.

Or maybe I'm just a swarthy, romantic Med. That's probably why.

Comu ti amu! Swarthy Pride World Wide!!

[trinacria]

I wholeheartedly agree. This is why I thank my parents every day for insisting on eating together as a family whenever possible.

[Nerthus]

There will always be great differences between the two sexes. Man and woman are not equal. Is one superior/inferior to another? It depends from which points of view one judges this. You can put two persons in the same room, leave them talk for a few hours and you'd find out that one is superior/inferior to the other from certain aspects. If throughout history women had proven to be stronger than men, they would be the 'dominators' today - but they aren't. In many respects the man is strong and the woman is weak (hence the phrase "the weak sex"). This reminds me of a joke among history students. "There was always a woman behind every great man in history." "Rather under him." Well, getting back to serious things, the woman though is a very important part of man's life. Many of the men who went to battle left families home to return to. In times of war, a letter from their wife would encourrage them. Coming home tired, she would embrace them, take care of them, clean their wounds...

Why expecting couples usually preferred a boy... what Mynydd said is true, times ago a boy meant strenght, a pair of working arms, while a girl meant another mouth to feed. This especially applied - and still applies today - in the rural society. A girl could not do landwork as well as a young boy (if at all) and land was essential because it grew their food. A boy was more gladly received also because it meant that the family name was handed down from one's generation to the next. As we know, surname is one very important/significant aspect of the family.

I think that the role of the man within a home should be that of the head of a family. The woman should show him submission, of course, as long as she is not abused. Being the head of the family, the man should provide most of what is necessary in the household, should protect his woman and his children. That is how I see the traditional roles for each. Nowadays, because of the way society has changed and as we live in a materialistic world, most women want to/have to work. And also nowadays, because of the major mentality change we are going through, a lot of women don't care for having children anymore. Feminism is a threat to the traditional way. Nationalism is built around this traditional way. I don't really know how many "would gladly be the devoted child bearer". Egotism, selfishness, greed, disrespect for the well-being can be the traits of a lot of modern women, not just men.

Finally, if there is a penis worship, female private parts aren't exactly lacking in attention either.

[trinacria]

Amen to that. However, I don't think a woman should EVER have to be submissive. Partnership= equality. Submissive in some aspects, dominant in others. Never totally either or.

[Nerthus]

Always, totally and blindly submissive, no. Generally submissive, in my opinion, yes - just like a daughter should generally be submissive to her father. The husband/partner assumes the protective role in a family just like the father and brother did before he joined the family (a point that was brought earlier in this thread).