Question for males: Abortion in a specific situation

[Agrippa]

I think the whole issue was discussed from a rather female perspective so far, or men judged about females, but now I want to raise a question which is at least to me quite interesting and adressed to males only. I know its controversial but I still I'm interesting in what the majority of this board thinks at the moment.

THE QUESTION:
If you meet a woman with which you want to live with, just imagine it under the circumstances I describe, which is pregnant from another man and she wants to abort, what would do?
Just think, its not your child, it doesnt even look like you so everybody will see it and since you live with her together you have to take care for it. It might still prefer the biological father later in life, no matter what you do, since it doesnt look like you, it will recognize it early probably.
The woman already decided to abort it, but she wants to have children with you, but you might be able to convince her not to abort, again, what would you do?

Other questions about abortion often dont involve males too much, but in this case its different, since the male would have an influence (even under the current situation of the society) and would have to live with the consequences. If she would abort, you wouldnt have the foreign child in your relationship and she would be pregnant soon with your child, since its possible for you to have healthy children with her. So its just about the foreign child, not about having children with her or not, not to forget you really want to live with her and if she's getting the child, whe won't give it to adoption.

[Faísca]

THE QUESTION:
If you meet a woman with which you want to live with, just imagine it under the circumstances I describe, which is pregnant from another man and she wants to abort, what would do?
Just think, its not your child, it doesnt even look like you so everybody will see it and since you live with her together you have to take care for it. It might still prefer the biological father later in life, no matter what you do, since it doesnt look like you, it will recognize it early probably.
The woman already decided to abort it, but she wants to have children with you, but you might be able to convince her not to abort, again, what would you do?

Taking into account the circumstances you describe, I would marry her and take care of the child.

Still, it is highly improbable that I would fall in love with a woman who was in favour of abortion, so you see.

[Ederico]

Shoot the question.

I'll speak in general. Abortion is not a female/mother-exclusive decision, it must always be a question of parents and child/ren. I am against abortion, vehemently against if it is my child or a healthy Maltese and/or European child. Those that abort in such cases and doctors performing the operation should be tried for murder. I'm glad that abortion is not permitted in Malta.

Allowances could be made in the case of health risks for the mother, in which case I would prefer to save the mother and/or wife. That is one case where I cannot approve the Roman Catholic Church's position.

Parents of a severly disabled child might potentially be given the possibility to wilfully abort the disabled child although I reserve moral doubts on the question. I wish no one the possibility to be faced with such a question.

In cases of impregnatory rape I believe the decision should be in the hands of the mother and that is the only case where the mother exclusively should bear the responsibility of the decision and take the decision itself.

Any other cases should make the biological parents opt for adoption of their child and abortion should be ruled out of the question.

EDIT:
REGARDING QUESTION: I would not come to love such a woman. I would leave her indefinitely as my wife cannot bear the child of someone else nor would I want a woman to abort her child due to myself. I will not vote in the poll as it is.

[Awar]

I think it's the woman's choice, and should be only her.

I could offer her all the facts and scenarios based on those facts
if she wants to hear, but I would make no ultimatums.

[Agrippa]

I would not come to love such a woman. I would leave her indefinitely as my wife cannot bear the child of someone else nor would I want a woman to abort her child due to myself. I will not vote in the poll as it is.

I understand that and would do the same if she would be pregnant from another male before I get to know her or she would have cheated and being pregnant from a foreigner.
But a) such cases will increase in the future, many males will have to come close with women which aborted or already have children from another male and b) its a situation in which the "male is under pressure" because its his energy which would get lost to a foreign child sociobiologically speaking and there would be always "something foreign" in the family.

Its a "just imagine" question, it could be at least possible in theory, even if you would never accept such a women, if, what would you do...

[Cristoforo]

I voted for "Would try to convince her not to abort if the child is healthy and European" although I was tempted for "Indifferent, its her decision, you just accept it." but I realized that one has the duty to save that kid if he is healthy otherwise I would be closing my eyes to a murder.

On the other hand, I would probably encourage her to abort if the baby is unhealthy. By unhealthy I mean suffering from severe disabilities. Since I am in favour of mercy killing (euthanasia etc), I am being consistent with my line of thought that a life without quality is not worth living it, be it if you're still a foetus or not.

[Menydh]

I won't make any comments yet.

Only one thing that confuses me on this poll is the "disabled" part which you put together with not being European. What *exactly* do you mean with "disabled"?

[Figlio della Lupa]

Wow, what a question. I find myself stuck between trying to convince her to keep the pregnancy if the child is healthy and european / or even if it is a a foreigner and disabled. First and foremost I am against abortion in all instances except rape, incest, or if it endangers the mother's health. The question of origins vs. morals is a problematic for me. On one hand I want to ensure the ethnic and cultural preservation of my land, yet I don't think my morals would allow me to support the abortion of a baby of foreign origins, while for an Italian no.

I'm just glad that I'm already taken and never have to be in this problematic situation.

[Agrippa]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I won't make any comments yet.

Only one thing that confuses me on this poll is the "disabled" part which you put together with not being European. What *exactly* do you mean with "disabled"?

I wanted to keep the answers short and easy to answer, so I decided to take things together which might not be that desirable for many people of this board, though its absolutely not the same if the child is foreign or somewhat or seriously disabled.
Of course I could have elaborated the details, but I think most people will decide on principles anyway.

I for myself am no strict anti-abortionist, but always decide by pondering the pros and cons of the specific situation. F.e. if we would have really, really massive overpopulation, I would think about abortion different than I do now, though I would still prefer other methods of birth control obviously, than in the situation we have with not enough children in Europe...

[Cristoforo]

though its absolutely not the same if the child is foreign or somewhat or seriously disabled.

I was going to comment on this in the other post but didn't but since you mentioned it, I will. Personally, I don't think I would encourage the woman to abort a healthy non-European. I would simply encourage her to give birth and then send him to Africa or from where ever his father was.

[Agrippa]

I think this thread makes the question even more interesting:

More Rights for Biological Fathers

[Strengthandhonour]

"Would try to convince her not to abort if the child is healthy and European"
I believe the role of a father is not only the fact that you had relationships with a woman, but you are also meant to take care of the child and raise him to be a proper and working person. I would gladly take that job if the woman is worth it.

[Faísca]

"Would try to convince her not to abort if the child is healthy and European"

Why most of you pick this one? You mean you wouldn't try to avoid if the child wasn't European? Meaning non-Europeans are no worthy of living?

[Menydh]

You are oversimplifying the question.

[Strengthandhonour]

Originally Posted by Johannes de León

"Would try to convince her not to abort if the child is healthy and European"

Why most of you pick this one? You mean you wouldn't try to avoid if the child wasn't European? Meaning non-Europeans are no worthy of living?

of course not. I selected that option because I will be taking care of the child. Now, I woudln't want to take care of a family with an European woman who had relationships with an African and ended up pregnant and now she wants me to take her in and her African child.