Question for males: Abortion in a specific situation

[Agrippa]

I shouldn't gate-crash this thread...but why would any male want a pregnant female from another male anyway?... Why is she already with another male?...What happened to the original father?

I find this situation most distasteful. The subject of abortion shouldn't even be needed to be suggested, because the original parties should be still together.

Yes, but how things are, "shit happens", so such cases might increase and it might be possible to get to know such a woman. Dont forget, after all that relationships, how likely it is that you get to know a virgin once you are older by yourself and get to know 20+ females nowadays? I dont want to blame the females only since its rather unnatural to live too long as sexually active individual without sexual relationships. In a working traditional society they would just marry earlier. The late marriage in Europe was the first step towards family destruction and most of the "Freud cases" were unmarried and unexperienced (mostly Jewish though) females over their 20's from bourgeois families which had not much to do but were filled with "culture".

Love & marriage, dedication, house, money, logic...then children!!!

Thats a problem since many men and women still think so, but stay singles until they are often too old and then say, "it never happened". Better getting children in a non-ideal situation than none, easy as that. If waiting for the ideal moment, no matter about what it is, it might come never.

Anyway, since I'm not that strict about abortion, I would let her doing since I dont want a foreign child as long as I can have one on my own. If I couldnt, I wouldnt want a child from a known, but biologically foreign man either (child is not related, might look totally different, behave different etc.), since that would always be between us. I would accept a related father (cousin, brother if I would have one etc., everything might remind me on that "affair") more than a total foreign child, since it shares kin with me. Of course chances that I would come together with a woman that way, as others already said for themselves, are rather small, but the situation is not unthinkable to me.

In the case that a woman would cheat me, as a standard rule, I would leave her, if she would get pregnant by a foreign man, thats making it even more clear. But in the very improbable case I would like to stay with her, just as a mind game, I wouldnt want to see such bastard in my family. I know thats hard to say and out of fashion, but that would be not just biologically illogical, its a question of honour to me too. But as I said, in 99 percent of the cases I would leave her anyway and wouldnt have planned with her if I would even think she COULD do something like that.

If the child is already there and I fall in love with such a single mother, oh well, then I got to know her that way and dont want and cannot change anything about that, then its the question if she's worth, if she's that great that I could accept it and plan my future with her.

In fact such situations are bad for both males, the biological father and the new man of the woman, but as things are, such situations happen and will happen even more often, and the good thing about it, if its that way, is that at least European children are there. But if I can choose I choose a healthy child of my own and no foreign one from another male.

[Phlegethon]

If there is one lesson life should teach you then it would be "Never let a woman make any decision".

[Heretik]

Ok Al Bundy...

[Dr. Solar Wolff]

I will not lend my services to abort children in any way but I don't get crazy about people who do. The only question comes up regarding the litters of biological polution being born the 3rd World, especially Africa. I haven't made up my mind about that yet and probably won't unless I visit Africa for a first-hand assessment (not likely either).

If the father in the hypothetical question was of European ancestry, I would never tell the woman to abort her child. All other conditions and relationships are secondary to the question of a valuable human life. If this mother didn't want the child, that might cause me to re-evlauate my feelings about her but she would have to explain her decision to me if I stuck around and her reasoning would have to be convincing. The father could re-appear but that problem is, again, secondary and could be dealt with then. And again, he would have to be evaluated on his own, seperately from the woman in question and from the perspective of a good or bad parent for the child. For instance, maybe she met him a a music concert, got pregnant during a one night thing and maybe he is a medical doctor, rich and a wonderful human being who always wanted a child. Or maybe the guy is a drugged out, drop out who wants a child so he can get a bigger welfare check but otherwise hates kids.

[Menydh]

Thread split and moved here.

[SouthernBoy]

This is sadly relevant to the situation here. It seems like nearly all of my friends have had a pregnancy scare, or an actual pregnancy. It's weird to be thinking about children at my age, but some friends already have to.

I am against abortion, but with a few exceptions. If the woman was raped she shouldn't have to raise a child. If the baby is mixed I have no problem with abortion either.

[Dr. Solar Wolff]

Originally Posted by SouthernBoy

This is sadly relevant to the situation here. It seems like nearly all of my friends have had a pregnancy scare, or an actual pregnancy. It's weird to be thinking about children at my age, but some friends already have to.

I am against abortion, but with a few exceptions. If the woman was raped she shouldn't have to raise a child. If the baby is mixed I have no problem with abortion either.

Good point.

[Delbáeth]

I wouldn't support abortion, at all, under any circumstances. I wouldn't be with a women if she was pregnant with another mans baby anyway.

[Savorgnan]

Originally Posted by Phlegethon

If there is one lesson life should teach you then it would be "Never let a woman make any decision".

I suscribe to that.

The usual "it's her choice, after all" is the most enormous BS that I heard in my life. Feminists pretend to "fight" for a so-called "equality"? Well, the baby is 50% ours, in this case. We musn't let the decision to the blood-thirsty urban females of our insane time.

[Kernunnos]

The poll options are incomplete.

If the child were disabled and mine I would do as much as I could to save his life.

If the child were from another man I could just speak as a citizen.

In that case she would be a traitor to me and I wouldn't be much willing to have anything to do with her.

[Tryggr]

I voted for Indifferent, its her decision, you just accept it.

The reasons:

If it was non-European - I'd never love that woman anyway.
If it was made after I started dating her - it would be over and out between us.

If it was made before I met her and the father abandoned his mate and child (the only way I can see where I'd have to make this choice) then it's not my duty to save the child. I'm generally against abortion, but I have nothing to do with this kid in any way. If it was one of my own, I would do what I could to save it. But I don't feel any duty towards another man's child.

If she chose to keep it, I would raise it with her - but not through a sense of responsibility towards the child. I'd do it through a sense of responsibility towards her. I'd never treat the kid as one of my own, and I'd never love it.

[Susi]

hum, to me, it is 50% of the man's so he has to be involved in the choice but the problem is that he doesn't have to carry the thing for 9 months and give birth to it. he just gets to sit and bitch about how whiny his girlfriend/wife/etc. is and not experience the pregnancy first hand. it may be 50% his, but he has maybe 0% responsibility for it because he isn't carrying it. i think to me it's primarily a woman's choice but she must consult with the man. abortion is acceptable under some circumstances but not most of the ones it is used under today.

[Savorgnan]

Originally Posted by Susi

hum, to me, it is 50% of the man's so he has to be involved in the choice but the problem is that he doesn't have to carry the thing for 9 months and give birth to it. he just gets to sit and bitch about how whiny his girlfriend/wife/etc. is and not experience the pregnancy first hand. it may be 50% his, but he has maybe 0% responsibility for it because he isn't carrying it. i think to me it's primarily a woman's choice but she must consult with the man. abortion is acceptable under some circumstances but not most of the ones it is used under today.

He's not carrying it, but he's giving his name to the baby. That's of some importance. And that's why the man has his word to say, and maybe the final one, IMO.

[Susi]

The man can piss off and leave the woman all alone at any time he choses without looking back.

I know it's of some importance that he's giving his name (not necessarily in this day and age)... but it doesn't give him the final word, in my opinion.

Like I said, it should be a decision made by both, ideally, but if the man leaves and runs away from the problem, it's 100% the woman's choice.

[Delbáeth]

Originally Posted by Susi