How many children do you have/do you think you will have?

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Phlegethon

We neither have nobility nor peasantry these days. And if you do not have a farm to pass on to your children - or a castle and forests - then the future is looking pretty dim for your offspring.

Yes, their perspective is in most cases to become Lumpenproletariat.

[Carnyx]

Quite a shortish term vision, IMO.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Carnyx

Quite a shortish term vision, IMO.

No, I meant it largish.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Marulus

No, I meant it largish.

Yes, it was. Your Lumpenproletariat state isn't going to last forever.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Carnyx

Yes, it was. Your Lumpenproletariat state isn't going to last forever.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Marulus

You're the polyglot here, aren't you?

Originally Posted by Carnyx

Yes, it was [shortish]. Your Lumpenproletariat state [that I translated from French "état", as in a period of time, a situation] isn't going to last forever.

Originally Posted by Marulus

Yes, their perspective is in most cases to become Lumpenproletariat.

Your perspectives for the children to born is to become ""lumpenproletariat"". It might be true. Still, that's only one or two generations ahead... it is hardly a largish visions of things.

I very much resent the negative and pessimistic comments of bored nationalists. They better keep their counter productive comments for them. Down with the loser's attitude.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Carnyx

You're the polyglot here, aren't you?

Yes, and that includes the language of signs as well.

Originally Posted by Carnyx

Your perspectives for the children to born is to become ""lumpenproletariat"". It might be true. Still, that's only one or two generations ahead... it is hardly a largish visions of things.

I did not imply that it was self-understood that such trends would continue forever. I just pointed at one trend observable in current societies. There was nothing especially optimistic or pessimistic in itself with that comment. You have Lumpenproletariat so-called intelligentsia, you have "antifascists" which are being recruited from the underworld of the urban Lumpenproletariat, youth-groupings of system parties, NGOs, entertainers, sluts, activists for "gay rights" etc etc.

However, I do see the opposite, positive examples as well: of people not ending up as LP. But there is a large trend for LP, even officially encouraged. It does not mean it is predestined to last forever though.

Originally Posted by Carnyx

I very much resent the negative and pessimistic comments of bored nationalists. They better keep their counter productive comments for them.

Not every pointing at a negativity is "a negative and pessimistic comment of a bored nationalist". I do not think I am either optimistic or pessimistic. Nor bored.

Originally Posted by Carnyx

Down with the looser's attitude.

Yeah, right.

*unsheathes his sword*

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Carnyx

Your perspectives for the children to born is to become ""lumpenproletariat"". It might be true. Still, that's only one or two generations ahead... it is hardly a largish visions of things.

This is not far from the truth, but there is a positive trend in our demographics. Even though we're still losing population, the decline is getting lesser with each passing year.

Down with the loser's attitude.

Agreed, such attitude often tends to be counterproductive. But there is a difference between a pessimist and a realist. Personally, I tend to look at the glass of water as half full.

[Heimdall]

Right now I have been doing my father's family genealogy and I see that in the 1700's and 1600's they had 4-10 kids.

I'm very proud in that fact and want to model my family after that big traditional family.

[KaloMatt]

Originally Posted by Heimdall

Right now I have been doing my father's family genealogy and I see that in the 1700's and 1600's they had 4-10 kids.

Of course, nowdays it's impossible to get such advanced conclusion without renting a team of anthropologist, historians and other experts. Please continue notifing about great and bizarre European history.

[Heimdall]

that is not needed.
I just read the family records and saw the descendancy list.

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Heimdall

Right now I have been doing my father's family genealogy and I see that in the 1700's and 1600's they had 4-10 kids.

I'm very proud in that fact and want to model my family after that big traditional family.

There's nothing odd with that fact, since there was no modern contraception back then.

[Phlegethon]

Originally Posted by Marulus

Yes, their perspective is in most cases to become Lumpenproletariat.

They don't call it Lumpenproletariat anymore. That sounds way too Marxist. The new, slightly euphemistic term they use is Prekariat (precariate) which has the special bonus of including academicians and highly qualified, but older than 40, members of the workforce who happened to have lost their jobs due to globalization and youth mania, as well.

[ArMakedon]

I would like to have 3 kids

[Salford]

Sure, I'd like a child, but I probably won't have one. Anyway, I feel a child is a gift (rather, a "supreme gift of marriage"), not something owed to one.