How many children do you have/do you think you will have?

[Pirate]

You think something like this can't happen Aprt.?

[Savorgnan]

Call it Quixotism, but if I had absolutely no hope left in a possible Reconquista, I would seriously consider exile... or suicide.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

I wish those who see it that way good luck; maybe they haven't thought about how children feel for not being wanted by society

Unfortunately, the lure of society and the wish to "fit in", to conform, is all too strong in most people. Even if society in question, along with its professed "values", is utterly corrupt and rotten it its bones, as is the case with the present one we (are forced to) live in. So it is very difficult a task, I admit.

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

how grateful they will be to live as exploited 2nd class citizens...

Most of those who fit in and accept the society with its "values" are exploited second class citizens as well.

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by Marulus

Unfortunately, the lure of society and the wish to "fit in", to conform, is all too strong in most people. Even if society in question, along with its professed "values", is utterly corrupt and rotten it its bones, as is the case with the present one we (are forced to) live in. So it is very difficult a task, I admit.

I am well aware, as Catholic you are "a mobile pro-life centre telling people saying no to children is saying no to life".
I am in no way interested in "fitting into society", I have no idea why you come up with this matter; I am very well aware these values actually are the counter-concept of values.

Originally Posted by Marulus

Most of those who fit in and accept the society with its "values" are exploited second class citizens as well.

There is a difference between happy and unhappy slaves, latter are aware of the situation.

Originally Posted by M.R.

You think something like this can't happen Aprt.?

It can happen, mostly due to economic reasons though.

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

That's why I said "sometimes".

Sometimes perhaps, sometimes perhaps not, actually it must become far worse before it becomes better - if it becomes better at all.

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

ll it Quixotism, but if I had absolutely no hope left in a possible Reconquista, I would seriously consider exile... or suicide.

Nah, no retreat, no surrender, a man dies with his gun in the hand targeted at his enemnies, and not targeted at himself.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

I am well aware, as Catholic you are "a mobile pro-life centre telling people saying no to children is saying no to life".

Really?

What a level of stereotypizing!

You got it wrong: I am not one of these.

I am not even "a Cath'lic", not in this stereotypical way you imagine every Cath'lic is (a typical Cath'lic as portryed by media and mass-"culture").

I am in no way intersted in "fitting in" into society

Where did I say that you were (interested in "fitting in")? I am neither.

I have no idea why you come up with this matter; I am very well aware these values actually are the counter-concept of values.

And where did I say that I think you were not aware of that?

I am amazed at people attacking me for something I never said or implied.

[meadhbh]

I still haven't made up my mind if I want any. Certinally not right now in any case. On a side note I know a family that has just had their fourteenth child and I do feel like thats a bit much.

[Kernunnos]

Originally Posted by Marulus

Hm, hm....

Or maybe procreate children and try to teach them how to avoid - as much as possible - being slaves of the system? And to teach them some real moral and national(ist) principles.

My option.

Choosing not to make child is plain surrender.

[Kernunnos]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

I stand loyal to myself and care for my own business, I don't see any betrayal or surrender here. For me there are many reasons not to have children, the main reason is am a loner and prefer to live alone and to have my back free. I have enough own problems anyway, what I mentioned before were just some more reasons.

I already said I was speaking for myself only.


If your theory was right we would see revolutions from Finland to Portugal...

We can't force all the people tore produce. Aptr's motivations are serious, not futile as for the majority of the people who choose not to have children to enjoy a permanent adolescence and a total-fun lifestyle.

[Savorgnan]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

Nah, no retreat, no surrender, a man dies with his gun in the hand targeted at his enemnies, and not targeted at himself.

I agree, no surrender! The last bullet will be for the enemy.

Originally Posted by Marulus

I am amazed at people attacking me for something I never said or implied.

As a Christian, you should be mithridatized against that.

Originally Posted by meadhbh

I still haven't made up my mind if I want any. Certinally not right now in any case. On a side note I know a family that has just had their fourteenth child and I do feel like thats a bit much.

You don't really have to decide, in fact. For a woman, having children is the most natural thing. And between having none or fourteen children, there is room for reason...

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by Marulus

Really?

What a level of stereotypizing!

I quoted a Catholic priest from Austria who activly advices politicans to do more for families. He even founded a dating site for Catholic singles.

Originally Posted by Marulus

You got it wrong: I am not one of these.

But you sound like one of these.

Originally Posted by Marulus

I am not even "a Cath'lic", not in this stereotypical way you imagine every Cath'lic is (a typical Cath'lic as portryed by media and mass-"culture").

I can ensure you my knowledge about Catholicism is beyond mass media broadcasts, I have been on a Catholic college for some years.

Originally Posted by Marulus

Where did I say that you were (interested in "fitting in")? I am neither.

And where did I say that I think you were not aware of that?

Well, you replied to me so I felt addressed, never mind.

Originally Posted by Marulus

I am amazed at people attacking me for something I never said or implied.

I did not attack you - I just made a general statement.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

I quoted a Catholic priest from Austria who activly advices politicans to do more for families. He even founded a dating site for Catholic singles.

If one priest says so, it does not make it quintessentially "Catholic". Besides, I do not see anything wrong with dating agencies, Catholic or not, because due to the general alienation of the modern society people have difficulties in finding one's countrepart of the opposite sex.

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

But you sound like one of these.

I just tend to think that strong families are an obstacle against the total serfdom to the system. Maybe I am being naive....

However, attitudes on such issues depend on the home country of someone who utters them. In some places the situation may be worse, somewhere else better. It is very relative.

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

Well, you replied to me so I felt addressed, never mind.

I did not attack you - I just made a general statement.

I did not in any way question your decision or anything like that, I just made a plain comment.

But if you are so hypersensitive ot the topic, then OK, whenever this matter is brought up again, I won't reply or comment any of your posts.

The end

[3rdEye]

I voted three, but why not four or five? Biggest obstacle however is the fact that I have no woman to love. Will I find one? I don't know. I'm already old enough that many girls think I'm too old.