Single Japanese women don't want husbands

[Carrigan]

Good for them. This serves as yet another reason to like the Japanese.

[Gil]

Just the other day I was chatting with a japanese woman, and when I told her I was from Europe she sends me this:

Damn, now I need 10 minutes alone please and a secluded place.

Just kidding

EDIT:I downsized the original image so it appears better within the post-Prussian

[Reltih]

Originally Posted by Startide

Really, Japan is extremely overcrowded anyway, and it's not as if their population is being swamped with immigrants that are replacing them, so what's the problem?

I guess you're an expert in overcrowdedness since England (where you "live" (trying to breathe)) is one of the Worlds most dense populated nations(377/sq.km) and even densier than Japan (335/sq.km).

[trinacria]

I hate to sound like a feminist but if a woman feels she will be fulfilled in life without a steady husband, who's to say she's wrong? A woman can have a child without being married. Sure, the kid will grow up in a fatherless household (assuming his mother didn't have a steady), but I'm sure he/she would be loved. A woman can live a fully happy life with many lovers and be successful and do something great. I think it's sort of archaic to think that if a woman chooses not to marry she'll end up a lonely old crow with cats pawing at her feet, but if a man stays a bachelor his whole life he's youthful, robust, manly..?

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by trinacria

I hate to sound like a feminist

So don't. It doesn't look nice in a woman.

but if a woman feels she will be fulfilled in life without a steady husband, who's to say she's wrong?

I have nothing against nuns.. or even vestals.

A woman can have a child without being married. Sure, the kid will grow up in a fatherless household (assuming his mother didn't have a steady), but I'm sure he/she would be loved.

Typical liberaloid attitude. And rather selfish if I may say so.

A woman can live a fully happy life with many lovers and be successful and do something great.

Give me a break. All the 'successful' spinster career women that I see are, at the right age, bitter as hell. And much desperate when they get a couple of drinks.

I think it's sort of archaic to think that if a woman chooses not to marry she'll end up a lonely old crow with cats pawing at her feet, but if a man stays a bachelor his whole life he's youthful, robust, manly..?

No. Save the differences, it works both ways.

[Awar]

Originally Posted by trinacria

I hate to sound like a feminist but if a woman feels she will be fulfilled in life without a steady husband, who's to say she's wrong?

I disagree

Mainly because such a lifestyle can't be held for more than a few generations.

Whenever such a lifestyle becomes dominant, soon enough that civilization will shrivel and become replaced with a civilization which doesn't give a care about individualistic ideals.

Then, when some fundamentalists take-over, they quickly put an end to these ideals.

So, even if I was a feminist, I wouldn't like this to go 'all the way',
simply because it weakens a civilization, and such a civilization becomes
replaced with a less "refined" one.

A woman can have a child without being married. Sure, the kid will grow up in a fatherless household (assuming his mother didn't have a steady), but I'm sure he/she would be loved.

Well, love isn't all that matters.

A woman can live a fully happy life with many lovers and be successful and do something great.

Actually, the individuals who make progress in this civilization
will make progress, only allow them to live and work unhindered.
But, that's just a few percent of the population...
what to do with those millions of sex & the city wannabes ?

You know, those who buy into this consumerist propaganda,
who miss-out on the really important issues and messages of those
series, and just go for the Manolo Blahnik shoes and the accompanying lifestyle.

Those millions of women who will not do anything exceptional with their lives, and who will end-up feeling miserable, because they were too busy to chase the ideal of individualism, they forgot to ask themselves what they, their spirit and their body needs.

You know, their biology. A person is not built to forever be obsessed with parties, looks and designer clothing, and what everyone else will think.

I think it's sort of archaic to think that if a woman chooses not to marry she'll end up a lonely old crow with cats pawing at her feet, but if a man stays a bachelor his whole life he's youthful, robust, manly..?

First, we're not that far into this newest civilizational fad to see what the grandmas who grew up during the 80's and 90's will become.

I think that we'll just have to wait and see these women end up as lonely old crows with cats pawing at their feet somewhere in 20 or 30 years.

The bulk of these lonely people, whether men or women ( and no, men and women are not 100% the same, so results may vary ) end up more unhappy and bitter than your average mediterranean grandpa and grandma who left an army of descendants who sometimes visit

I for one see nothing manly about a guy who can't handle women,
so he avoids them. The same can be said about women who
constantly change their partners. Sure, there are exceptional individuals
who are different... apply the bell curve...

The bottom line is that, even if Europeans were the only people in the world, I doubt this sort of life-view would work for long. The truth is that we're not alone on the world, and this is damaging our civilization.

[Rusalka]

Actually, one of my aunts never got married, nor did she have any -at least serious- affairs and she still lives with my grandmother and she's as happy as anything. Some people are just not made for marriage, I suppose. She is the intellectual type, she was a journalist before she got retired and now she enjoys her free time with my cousins (my other aunts' children) and her mother. She's probably one of the least bitter people I know, and she's almost 60 so I guess she wouldn't get bitter after this age. And no, she has no cats. My granny doesn't like keeping pets in the house, she believes a proper pet is a guard dog and should remain outside.

What I'm saying is, not all women -or all men for that matter- are made to marry. I myself probably wouldn't mind getting married after a certain age but I'm not too sure about having children for example. I don't think I'd make a good mother, I'm too irritable around children, I wouldn't like to spoil a person's life by being an indifferent mother. I guess I'd be the boarding school type mom if I ever was and it doesn't seem to be the fashion these days.

[Rusalka]

Originally Posted by Awar

The bulk of these lonely people, whether men or women ( and no, men and women are not 100% the same, so results may vary ) end up more unhappy and bitter than your average mediterranean grandpa and grandma who left an army of descendants who sometimes visit

I think it's one of the main reasons why people have children, really. When I think of it, I'd definitely want some people around to care for me and show some affection when (if) I get to be 90. It really sounds bleak if you think of it that way.

Or I could be very rich and keep a few servants around. That could do the trick as well. I insist that one of them is named either Alfred or Alfonse!

[trinacria]

I agree, it's not healthy for a large percent of the population to think/feel this way, but who's to say it's always going to make a woman unhappy and bitter? That's the point I was trying to make.

[Awar]

Originally Posted by Rusalka

Actually, one of my aunts never got married, nor did she have any -at least serious- affairs and she still lives with my grandmother and she's as happy as anything. Some people are just not made for marriage, I suppose. She is the intellectual type, she was a journalist before she got retired and now she enjoys her free time with my cousins (my other aunts' children) and her mother. She's probably one of the least bitter people I know, and she's almost 60 so I guess she wouldn't get bitter after this age. And no, she has no cats. My granny doesn't like keeping pets in the house, she believes a proper pet is a guard dog and should remain outside.

Funny, I have a near-60 aunt who's also a journalist, and single,
and bitter as hell. I guess it's all up to the individual eh...

Perhaps these intellectual women want to extinct themselves?

What I'm saying is, not all women -or all men for that matter- are made to marry. I myself probably wouldn't mind getting married after a certain age but I'm not too sure about having children for example. I don't think I'd make a good mother, I'm too irritable around children, I wouldn't like to spoil a person's life by being an indifferent mother. I guess I'd be the boarding school type mom if I ever was and it doesn't seem to be the fashion these days.

You don't know until you try.
I think it's not choice, but fear. Too many nice, intellectual types of both men and women like to back-off, stand down, retreat from the struggles in life. From bullies at school, to bosses, to spouses, to having children.

I think it's one of the main reasons why people have children, really. When I think of it, I'd definitely want some people around to care for me and show some affection when (if) I get to be 90. It really sounds bleak if you think of it that way.

Well, perhaps in this modern society, true caring among family members sounds outdated.

I think one of the reasons why patriarchal society is dying is because it turned into a rigid dinosaur which cares more for its traditions than the very people that cary those traditions. Sadly, it's being replaced by rigid individualism, which, as I said before, won't survive longer than a few generations.

People should rely on people.

Originally Posted by
trinacria

I agree, it's not healthy for a large percent of the population to think/feel this way, but who's to say it's always going to make a woman unhappy and bitter? That's the point I was trying to make.

It's a trend. If people knew how to think for themselves, things such as trends wouldn't exist. This trend leads most people nowhere.
What's funny is that it's a rigid trend. As rigid in its carelesness, as patriarchalism was rigid with traditions.

Some individuals break the mold and succeed, then masses follow, and fail.

The emphasis should be on acknowledging exceptional individuals, rather than breaking rules. I think that men and women have their roles in life, but, there are also those who are different, and who bring progress to humanity,
ones who should be recognized as such, regardless of gender.

Why does every intellectual woman dream of leading all women into
"freedom"? She doesn't understand, in her self-righteousness, that most women, most people, are succeptible and easy to manipulate in any way.

[Figlio della Lupa]

Originally Posted by Awar

I think it's not choice, but fear. Too many nice, intellectual types of both men and women like to back-off, stand down, retreat from the struggles in life. From bullies at school, to bosses, to spouses, to having children.

I've taken note of this trend as well.

[Phlegethon]

The exception is quickly becoming the rule here. Germany does not only hold the record percentage of single households but also of people who categorically do not want to have any children (around 33% and growing). Of course with that attitude demographical problems escalate quickly and folks like me technically would be better off if they lived on welfare than if they worked full-time because the tax load, social insurance and medical insurance eat up about 60% of your income. And as only the scum is having children these days their offspring most likely will end up as scum as well and we are even deeper in trouble.

[Nerthus]

Yes, exactly, those who mentioned fear are right. In some cases even, women say they don't want to get pregnant because of the pain they'd feel when giving birth.

[Gil]

Well, like Awar said, I think the "sex & the city" trend is significant of how low morals are in Western civilizations. Men used to be considered "pigs" and "chauvinist" for wanting/having many female partners (lovers, mistresses, etc) while nowadays some women think that it is their right to do so. Well, it was wrong when men did it, isn't it still wrong if women do it?
My wife is in the Uni. in her 4th year of Pharmacy and her aim is to go into cancer research but at the same time she already made it clear that one of her goals is to have children, regardless of how well or not she fares in her career and that if she has to quit her work to raise her children she will, no second thoughts.

[Phlegethon]

The funny thing is that most women here have neither a career nor children. But if unemployment is your fate having children probably isn't very high on your priority list. Living on welfare also isn't exactly what most women want - unless they have lived on welfare all their life and don't know it any other way.

[Menydh]

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