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There is only one way you can "cure" an pedophile and you all know which way is that...no really, i don't know would i be able to control myself if i run on some pedophile "in action"..i have three nephews and i adore kids and when i read about pedophilia in Serbia,and here we have too many of them,too,sadly,i am affraid about them,,and me,in case i find someone...system would throw me in jail for a couple of months,that is for sure,but i don't care,kids are one of the last thing that make this world a beautiful place to live and we all must do our the best to protect them from such ill monsters..
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Dutch are poisoning Europe with their sick modern trends, sadly some people here even consider Holland as some kind of example of what European countries should be, modern and liberal. Makes you wonder if Muslims immigrants in Holland are more sane than natives.
Liberalism is a narrow-minded worldview which extols the mythical "individual freedom" over everything else. It is for people who do not care for truth at all, but are rather superficial. Their superficiality is at its best manifested in the fact that they only want "freedom from", but do not care about the "freedom for", that is, what would be the ultimate goal of this freedom.

Philosophical liberalism is superficial and the practical one can be evil and immoral, for example, if it extols such things like "right to abortion", which is right to killing, or pedophilia in this case.

Liberalism's twin brother and seemigly direct opposite, the Marxism, which insists on collectivism, is equally evil, but in other sense. We could observe the phenomenon of former Marxists becoming staunch liberals - en masse - after the fall of the Berlin Wall in the "East", but the neither "West" was spared this phenomenon.

I am not speaking against freedom, of course, because freedom is one of the most essential parts of human condition, by which human is human. But Liberalism extols only freedom as an isolated ideal, as a dogma, deprived of anything else, of any context. That is why liberalism inevitably leads to phenomena like legalized pedophilia. I mean, such things occurred in other, so-called primitive, societies as well, but a modern society, based on the principles of Liberalism, there is a possibility of justifying it as some kind of "right", of lifting it to some supposedly higher level, not only that of lowly instincts.
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Liberalism is a narrow-minded worldview which extols the mythical "individual freedom" over everything else. It is for people who do not care for truth at all, but are rather superficial. Their superficiality is at its best manifested in the fact that they only want "freedom from", but do not care about the "freedom for", that is, what would be the ultimate goal of this freedom.

Philosophical liberalism is superficial and the practical one can be evil and immoral, for example, if it extols such things like "right to abortion", which is right to killing, or pedophilia in this case.

Liberalism's twin brother and seemigly direct opposite, the Marxism, which insists on collectivism, is equally evil, but in other sense. We could observe the phenomenon of former Marxists becoming staunch liberals - en masse - after the fall of the Berlin Wall in the "East", but the neither "West" was spared this phenomenon.

I am not speaking against freedom, of course, because freedom is one of the most essential parts of human condition, by which human is human. But Liberalism extols only freedom as an isolated ideal, as a dogma, deprived of anything else, of any context. That is why liberalism inevitably leads to phenomena like legalized pedophilia. I mean, such things occurred in other, so-called primitive, societies as well, but a modern society, based on the principles of Liberalism, there is a possibility of justifying it as some kind of "right", of lifting it to some supposedly higher level, not only that of lowly instincts.
Could you point out when Liberalism resulted in legalized pedophilia?

Wasn't it Locke who wrote on inalienable human rights? And therefore would pedophilia not be an exact contradiction and violation of a liberal humanistic manner of selfdetermination as it lifts the rights of the child?

And weren't it exactly for Liberalism influential minds that dominated the enlightenment, fought abuses as child labour and injustice? And was it not them that came with freedom of speech, thought and freedom of choice?

The most severe abuse of children rights and violation of their sexual integrity resulted primarily from collectivistic traditional institutions, not out of Liberalism.
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Could you point out when Liberalism resulted in legalized pedophilia?

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The most severe abuse of children rights and violation of their sexual integrity resulted primarily from collectivistic traditional institutions, not out of Liberalism.
I'm rarely keen on quoting an American, even when this may be a Conservative. But exceptions make the rule and at least this Kuhner is of recent European extraction (Croatian parents).
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Pedophilia is liberalism’s next frontier. Since the sexual revolution of the 1960s, liberals in America and Europe have championed the permissive society. These "progressives" advocate for sexual liberation, homosexual rights, abortion rights, pornography, soft drugs and euthanasia.

It is now evident that the most successful radical of the 20th century was not Lenin or Hitler, but Hugh Hefner. Communism and Nazism are dead. Yet, Hefner’s Playboy philosophy is alive and well—especially, in the West where it has become a dominant cultural force.

Distilled to its essence, the Playboy philosophy is a form of radical individualism: “If it feels good do it.”

This Playboy philosophy is especially popular in Western Europe. The region was once the cradle of Christian civilization. Europeans produced giants such as Charlemagne, St. Thomas Aquinas and Shakespeare—rendering their culture from approximately 1500 to 1918 the most advanced in the history of the world. Today, Western Europe is a pitiful shadow of its former self. It has become the bastion of post-modern liberalism. Under the guise of tolerance and openness, a cultural barbarism has been unleashed, that is currently smashing all traditions and standards in its path. Divorce is common. Pornography is pervasive. Abortions are the norm. Drugs, single motherhood, teenage promiscuity, bi¬sexuality and homosexuality are acceptable “life-style choices.”

At the vanguard of Europe’s moral revolution stands the Netherlands, widely known as the Continent’s “left-coast.” The Dutch have created one of the most permissive and decadent societies on earth. In Amsterdam’s Red Light District, there are sex shops, sex museums and sex clubs. Prostitutes advertise their bodies in storefront windows, hoping to lure potential customers. Marijuana is also legal.

The drug is sold in cafes and smoked in full public view. Several years ago, the Dutch even passed a law legalizing euthanasia and doctor-assisted suicide. However, it is still illegal in Holland to produce child pornography and to engage in pedophilia. This may soon change. The newly formed Charity, Freedom and Diversity party advocates reducing the legal age for sex from 16 to 12. Dutch pedophiles are also demanding that child pornography and sex with animals should be legal. Moreover, the party insists that citizens should be allowed to go naked in public.

"We are going to shake The Hague awake!" vow Holland’s pedophiles. Their ultimate goal is to abolish any limits on the legal age for sex with children.

"A ban just makes children curious," Ad van den Berg, one of the party's founders, told a Dutch newspaper.

Even for the Dutch, this is a bit much. News of the party’s creation has triggered public outrage. Opinion polls show that 82 percent want the government to stop the growth of the new party and 67 percent believe that promoting pedophilia should be illegal.

Despite Dutch apprehension, the public needs to realize that pedophilia is a natural and logical by-product of the Playboy philosophy. A society based on hedonism, sexual liberation and personal license has no effective defense against rapacious perverts who demand tolerance and equal rights. Europeans established sexual gratification as the yardstick for measuring individual fulfillment and have thus opened the door for pedophiles and child pornographers to claim a place in mainstream society.

The Dutch pedophiles are simply pushing the sexual revolution to its sick, perverted logical end. If children are able to freely watch graphic sexual images on television and the Internet, if they are constantly told that sex is the ultimate—sometimes the only real—purpose in life, and if they are given sex-ed courses and condoms in public schools at the ages of 12 and 13, then why should limits be placed on their activity with adults? If very young teens can have consensual sex with one another, why not with adults too?

The moral degeneration of Europe is evident in the very fact that Dutch pedophiles are emboldened to publicly demand that the state acknowledges their “right” to prey on children. For decades, Europe’s liberal elites have championed a shallow secular humanism which seeks to destroy the institutions of the old conservative order— Christianity, the nation-state and the traditional family. Their goal has been nothing short of revolutionary: to transform the Continent into a libertine socialist super-state where individuals are immersed within a larger sexual and consumer culture.

Europe’s political class hopes that, by making their citizenry dependent on sex, consumer goods and social welfare, they will finally establish the Enlightenment project of a utopia based on reason, atheism and personal liberation. Marxists sought to use class struggle to overturn Christian bourgeois civilization; post-1960s liberals have been using sex to achieve the very same ends.

Much of this was predicted over 50 years ago by the two most important novelists of the 20th century: George Orwell and Aldous Huxley. Orwell’s works, in particular “Animal Farm” and “Nineteen Eighty-Four,” brilliantly demonstrated the darkness at the heart of totalitarianism. Orwell, however, failed to appreciate that Nazism and communism—with their jackboots ethics, death camps, programs of economic autarky, and complete state control over all aspects of life—were too crude, vulgar and coarse to have a mass appeal over a sustained period of time.

Although he was not as famous or influential as Orwell, Huxley was even more perceptive. In his ingenious, futuristic novel, “Brave New World,” Huxley warned that consumer societies could be as destructive as totalitarian regimes—and with potentially much greater mass appeal. In his novel, Huxley described a society very similar to today’s Europe—hedonistic, consumerist, technologically sophisticated, sexually permissive (and perverse) and godless. He presented a society that worships sex and death; that is empty, deracinated, devoid of all emotions and meaning. In other words, Huxley portrayed a nightmarish dystopia where humans slowly lose their moral and spiritual moorings, their very soul, in exchange for never-ending orgasms, drugs and scientific gadgets.

Huxley understood that people respond more favorably to the pleasure principle than one predicated on pain. Hence, this explains why the Playboy philosophy has triumphed throughout Western Europe, and to a lesser extent, here in America.

This sexual revolution—like other revolutions in France, Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany—has caused tremendous social damage and has wrecked lives. Since the 1960s, the sexual liberation movement has resulted in tens of millions of broken marriages, broken homes, out-of-wedlock teenage births, millions infected with sexually transmitted diseases, 25 million deaths due to the AIDS crisis (a pandemic that disproportionately affects homosexual males who practice unsafe sex), and the extermination of babies via abortion. In America alone, since the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision, over 50 million unborn children have been killed by this barbaric practice— that’s the total number of all those who perished in Europe during World War II. In short, the sexual revolution has unleashed a sea of human misery.

Yet this revolutionary fervor continues. Now, the next wave of victims will be children and adolescents. They face the prospect of living in a world that is becoming more tolerant of, or at the very least indifferent to the depredations of pedophiles and child pornographers.

“If there is no God, everything is permitted,” wrote the Russian novelist, Fyodor Dostoevsky.

Europe’s anti-Christian, secular elites are creating a Brave New World, a world where everything is indeed permitted—and no one, not even the young and innocent, really matter.


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I'm rarely keen on quoting an American, even when this may be a Conservative. But exceptions make the rule and at least this Kuhner is of recent European extraction (Croatian parents).
My humble opinion is that we are making of this world new shapes of Sodoma and Gomora and we all know how these cities ended..If someone think that is good to legalize pedophilia like acceptable behavior,well, they will have to accept my beating and their "new look" after that..I am agains agression of any kind, but they all deserve, pedophils and others who want to legalize that, to be beaten with "govnjiva motka" in the street,on every corner,everywhere..i know,when i say this,it look like i am calling masses for another "witch hunt",but they don't deserve nothing better..If they are free to abuse 6,7,8 years old children,who can forbid us to act like i desribed?!? Nobody..Ok, there is law system who is there to stop them from doing such things,but what can you say when you hear,or read that pedophile went free from trial,which was cought with 11 old girl by one old man who called a cops,they arrested him, and judge said that there was not such act to throw him in jail?!?!?!?!?!? No matter he was accused for that behavior before?!?what about intention of doing that terrible crime?? them all
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Much of this was predicted over 50 years ago by the two most important novelists of the 20th century: George Orwell and Aldous Huxley. Orwell’s works, in particular “Animal Farm” and “Nineteen Eighty-Four,” brilliantly demonstrated the darkness at the heart of totalitarianism. Orwell, however, failed to appreciate that Nazism and communism—with their jackboots ethics, death camps, programs of economic autarky, and complete state control over all aspects of life—were too crude, vulgar and coarse to have a mass appeal over a sustained period of time.

Although he was not as famous or influential as Orwell, Huxley was even more perceptive. In his ingenious, futuristic novel, “Brave New World,” Huxley warned that consumer societies could be as destructive as totalitarian regimes—and with potentially much greater mass appeal. In his novel, Huxley described a society very similar to today’s Europe—hedonistic, consumerist, technologically sophisticated, sexually permissive (and perverse) and godless. He presented a society that worships sex and death; that is empty, deracinated, devoid of all emotions and meaning. In other words, Huxley portrayed a nightmarish dystopia where humans slowly lose their moral and spiritual moorings, their very soul, in exchange for never-ending orgasms, drugs and scientific gadgets.

Huxley understood that people respond more favorably to the pleasure principle than one predicated on pain. Hence, this explains why the Playboy philosophy has triumphed throughout Western Europe, and to a lesser extent, here in America.
I would say that both Huxley's Brave New World and Orwell's 1984 accurately predicted our present world, especially when the worlds described in the two novels are synthesized. As the quote above says, Huxley did a good job at predicting the libertine aspect of our culture, but Orwell also did well predicting how libertinism could coexist with political correctness. In Orwell's 1984, the underclass of Proles were given alcohol, popular entertainments and pornography to keep them docile and entertained. At the same time Outer Party Members (making up the middle class) are ruthlessly bullied into following the commands of the Ingsoc Party (from English Socialist Party).
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The Just Cause: Playboy Philosophy Erodes Social Standards Pedophilia on the rise


Pedophilia is liberalism’s next frontier. Since the sexual revolution of the 1960s, liberals in America and Europe have championed the permissive society. These "progressives" advocate for sexual liberation, homosexual rights, abortion rights, pornography, soft drugs and euthanasia.

It is now evident that the most successful radical of the 20th century was not Lenin or Hitler, but Hugh Hefner. Communism and Nazism are dead. Yet, Hefner’s Playboy philosophy is alive and well—especially, in the West where it has become a dominant cultural force.

Distilled to its essence, the Playboy philosophy is a form of radical individualism: “If it feels good do it.”

This Playboy philosophy is especially popular in Western Europe. The region was once the cradle of Christian civilization. Europeans produced giants such as Charlemagne, St. Thomas Aquinas and Shakespeare—rendering their culture from approximately 1500 to 1918 the most advanced in the history of the world. Today, Western Europe is a pitiful shadow of its former self. It has become the bastion of post-modern liberalism. Under the guise of tolerance and openness, a cultural barbarism has been unleashed, that is currently smashing all traditions and standards in its path. Divorce is common. Pornography is pervasive. Abortions are the norm. Drugs, single motherhood, teenage promiscuity, bi¬sexuality and homosexuality are acceptable “life-style choices.”

At the vanguard of Europe’s moral revolution stands the Netherlands, widely known as the Continent’s “left-coast.” The Dutch have created one of the most permissive and decadent societies on earth. In Amsterdam’s Red Light District, there are sex shops, sex museums and sex clubs. Prostitutes advertise their bodies in storefront windows, hoping to lure potential customers. Marijuana is also legal.

The drug is sold in cafes and smoked in full public view. Several years ago, the Dutch even passed a law legalizing euthanasia and doctor-assisted suicide. However, it is still illegal in Holland to produce child pornography and to engage in pedophilia. This may soon change. The newly formed Charity, Freedom and Diversity party advocates reducing the legal age for sex from 16 to 12. Dutch pedophiles are also demanding that child pornography and sex with animals should be legal. Moreover, the party insists that citizens should be allowed to go naked in public.

"We are going to shake The Hague awake!" vow Holland’s pedophiles. Their ultimate goal is to abolish any limits on the legal age for sex with children.

"A ban just makes children curious," Ad van den Berg, one of the party's founders, told a Dutch newspaper.

Even for the Dutch, this is a bit much. News of the party’s creation has triggered public outrage. Opinion polls show that 82 percent want the government to stop the growth of the new party and 67 percent believe that promoting pedophilia should be illegal.

Despite Dutch apprehension, the public needs to realize that pedophilia is a natural and logical by-product of the Playboy philosophy. A society based on hedonism, sexual liberation and personal license has no effective defense against rapacious perverts who demand tolerance and equal rights. Europeans established sexual gratification as the yardstick for measuring individual fulfillment and have thus opened the door for pedophiles and child pornographers to claim a place in mainstream society.

The Dutch pedophiles are simply pushing the sexual revolution to its sick, perverted logical end. If children are able to freely watch graphic sexual images on television and the Internet, if they are constantly told that sex is the ultimate—sometimes the only real—purpose in life, and if they are given sex-ed courses and condoms in public schools at the ages of 12 and 13, then why should limits be placed on their activity with adults? If very young teens can have consensual sex with one another, why not with adults too?

The moral degeneration of Europe is evident in the very fact that Dutch pedophiles are emboldened to publicly demand that the state acknowledges their “right” to prey on children. For decades, Europe’s liberal elites have championed a shallow secular humanism which seeks to destroy the institutions of the old conservative order— Christianity, the nation-state and the traditional family. Their goal has been nothing short of revolutionary: to transform the Continent into a libertine socialist super-state where individuals are immersed within a larger sexual and consumer culture.

Europe’s political class hopes that, by making their citizenry dependent on sex, consumer goods and social welfare, they will finally establish the Enlightenment project of a utopia based on reason, atheism and personal liberation. Marxists sought to use class struggle to overturn Christian bourgeois civilization; post-1960s liberals have been using sex to achieve the very same ends.

Much of this was predicted over 50 years ago by the two most important novelists of the 20th century: George Orwell and Aldous Huxley. Orwell’s works, in particular “Animal Farm” and “Nineteen Eighty-Four,” brilliantly demonstrated the darkness at the heart of totalitarianism. Orwell, however, failed to appreciate that Nazism and communism—with their jackboots ethics, death camps, programs of economic autarky, and complete state control over all aspects of life—were too crude, vulgar and coarse to have a mass appeal over a sustained period of time.

Although he was not as famous or influential as Orwell, Huxley was even more perceptive. In his ingenious, futuristic novel, “Brave New World,” Huxley warned that consumer societies could be as destructive as totalitarian regimes—and with potentially much greater mass appeal. In his novel, Huxley described a society very similar to today’s Europe—hedonistic, consumerist, technologically sophisticated, sexually permissive (and perverse) and godless. He presented a society that worships sex and death; that is empty, deracinated, devoid of all emotions and meaning. In other words, Huxley portrayed a nightmarish dystopia where humans slowly lose their moral and spiritual moorings, their very soul, in exchange for never-ending orgasms, drugs and scientific gadgets.

Huxley understood that people respond more favorably to the pleasure principle than one predicated on pain. Hence, this explains why the Playboy philosophy has triumphed throughout Western Europe, and to a lesser extent, here in America.

This sexual revolution—like other revolutions in France, Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany—has caused tremendous social damage and has wrecked lives. Since the 1960s, the sexual liberation movement has resulted in tens of millions of broken marriages, broken homes, out-of-wedlock teenage births, millions infected with sexually transmitted diseases, 25 million deaths due to the AIDS crisis (a pandemic that disproportionately affects homosexual males who practice unsafe sex), and the extermination of babies via abortion. In America alone, since the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision, over 50 million unborn children have been killed by this barbaric practice— that’s the total number of all those who perished in Europe during World War II. In short, the sexual revolution has unleashed a sea of human misery.

Yet this revolutionary fervor continues. Now, the next wave of victims will be children and adolescents. They face the prospect of living in a world that is becoming more tolerant of, or at the very least indifferent to the depredations of pedophiles and child pornographers.

“If there is no God, everything is permitted,” wrote the Russian novelist, Fyodor Dostoevsky.

Europe’s anti-Christian, secular elites are creating a Brave New World, a world where everything is indeed permitted—and no one, not even the young and innocent, really matter.
The article is making a farce out of the social reality of the Netherlands. The author of pedophilia pride day was misinformed or ill intended in his description regarding the NVD, Kuhner fights with oversimplifications.

Yet its reasonable for him seeking arguments, Christianity is loosing its grip on Western Europe, but perhaps the institution should reflect its own actions. The church historically too often has affiliated itself with totalitarian, aristocratic regimes of which the corruption of the church was comparable with the decadency of the political elite themselves. Events as the French revolution against the established institutions and traditions didn't came out of nowhere, it was a justifiable drive of humanism against shameless abuse of the people.

The iconoclasm of the Dutch against both the catholic and protestant institution, when people have to tolerate poverty while obeying a church that displays itself in extravagant manners of pure material wealth. The sexual child abuse of catholic priests, the censorship on free scientific investigation, the censorship on intellectual writings, listings of forbidden writings, restrictions on individuals who these days are correctly valued for their ideas and contribution on various intellectual fields. The religious restrictions on the minds of Galileo or Spinoza. Power corrupts, even more when its absolute.

The Netherlands is a civil law country, and there are no signs of cracks in the persecution of sexual abuses, therefore this article makes a wrongfully but well intended comparison between sexual freedoms of and between adults, and the abuse of children, its almost not worth to emphasize the difference in nature between those acts since they are so logic and clear.

That homosexuality, use of soft drugs (of which legal definiteness is not as great as thought) pornography, single motherhood are tolerated is because the individual has the freedom to live according his own judgment.

The rest of the article is biased on not much, pedophilia isn't legalized nor freed from legal prosecution, there are no signs it will be either, nor is pedophilia comparable with other sexual freedoms. Individual rights in western civil law nations stop where the rights of others begin.
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