Interracial relationship

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Originally Posted by Carnyx

At first sight, it is beauty that imports for a man. Then comes personality I guess (inner beauty, greatness of soul) ?

Hm...yes and no. Depends on what is meant by "beauty". Is it only physical handsomeness, as it is commonly referred to nowadays? For a one night stand it suffices, I guess. But here we are speaking of relationships and/or marriages. In that case some kind of inner beauty surely has a significance, from the very start, along with the purely physical handsomeness. Some gestures, way of speaking, of walk, attitudes to life etc, which one man would find attractive and other wouldn't. So a truly physically handsome woman - by commonly accepted standards - would be attractive to someone and not attractive to someone else. That is what inner beauty is about.

But that the outer beauty is the first stimulant for a man to get interested in some woman in the first place, to take the notice of her at all, is not to be doubted.

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Carnyx

At first sight, it is beauty that imports for a man. Then comes personality I guess (inner beauty, greatness of soul) ?

I agree. This may be subjective and vary from one person to another, but when I meet a girl/woman for the first time, her outer beauty (certain physical characteristics that I find appealing) is what draws me to her. In order to build a stable and working relationship it is important that both partners possess a certain inner beauty that they recognize in each other. That inner beauty becomes more and more important through time, and renders the outer one from a vital characteristic to just another nice attribute.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Marulus

Hm...yes and no. Depends on what is meant by "beauty". Is it only physical handsomeness, as it is commonly referred to nowadays? For a one night stand it suffices, I guess. But here we are speaking of relationships and/or marriages.

Yes.

Originally Posted by Carnyx

At first sight, it is beauty that imports for a man. Thencomes personality I guess (inner beauty, greatness of soul) ?

Beauty is beauty. Subjectiveness is subjectiveness. Only archetypes change. Here we are dealing with a very personal kind of beauty, what appeals to each of us, what's attractive.

I only mean beauty as it is commonly understood, what you said :

Originally Posted by Marulus

the purely physical handsomeness.

as opposed to what is ugly. But not the ideal type of modern beauty (ie filiform models and the vulgus pack of Hollywood actress or whatever it is).

In that case some kind of inner beauty surely has a significance, from the very start, along with the purely physical handsomeness.

Yes. The first things people see:

#1 appearance
#2 the way you move
#3 the way you speak and what you say (incidentally but it comes last)

It takes only a few seconds, they are primordial. I don't believe we are referring to the same thing. Gestures for instance are not part of inner beauty to me. It takes more than a few moments to read someone's mind.

Some gestures, way of speaking, of walk, attitudes to life etc, which one man would find attractive and other wouldn't. So a truly physically handsome woman - by commonly accepted standards - would be attractive to someone and not attractive to someone else. That is what inner beauty is about.

Yes, however attitudes to life only are part of inner beauty to me.

But that the outer beauty is the first stimulant for a man to get interested in some woman in the first place, to take the notice of her at all, is not to be doubted.

Indeed.

[Dani]

I also think that inner beauty is important, I will never marry a stupid woman but... she has not to be horrible, only this

non-european women in my opinion are uglier than europeans women and they are too different to me, i can't think to me marrying a non-european women

[Delbáeth]

Originally Posted by Dani

non-european women in my opinion are uglier than europeans women and they are too different to me, i can't think to me marrying a non-european women

What do you find "ugly" about non-Europid women?

[Dani]

Originally Posted by Delbáeth

What do you find "ugly" about non-Europid women?

I don't like them because they are too different from my idea of women, their skin, their faces, their bodies etc

[Susi]

I find non-Europid men ugly too ^^ and they usually smell funny :x

[Delbáeth]

I don't think you can say the entire human species is "ugly" and the only exception is Europid men and women.

I generally don't find non-Europid females attractive, but that doesn't make them "ugly", nor does it make them all "ugly". I have found plenty of non-Europid women who are very attractive, Spaniards for instance. (Joke Mynydd ). Now because I admit I find some non-Europid women attractive, that doesn't mean I am going to try and jump into bed with them. It just means I can admit when I find a female attractive, regardless of race.

[Cirrus]

But do you mean European or Europid ?

Dani talked about "European", and it's not the same thing.

[Delbáeth]

Originally Posted by Cirrus

But do you mean European or Europid ?

Dani talked about "European", and that's not the same.

I don't think he's making a distinction between European and Europid.

[M.R.]

Well, as for non-Europids being 'ugly' or not, everyone has their own opinions, but when talking about race mixing in general, this is pretty much irrelevant anyway (not in this thread though, since the question was 'would you go into relationship with person of another race), I don't think there's a need to argue about this.

[Breogan]

Originally Posted by Valdyr

... What I dislike is racial mixing en masse - ie, when two or more ethnic groups migrate together to new breeding-and-feeding grounds and large-scale racial mixing ensues. For example, Australia, where Celtic and Germanic people migrated together and over time mixed blood, creating a race of mongrels with no knowledge of their heritage or ancestory. The same has happened in North America.

Originally Posted by Valdyr

Damn. I'm terrible with definitions. Could you clear that stuff up for me?
ie what is ethnicity, race, sub-race, meta-ethnicity, etc...?

Yes, you're terrible indeed and not only with definitions.

[Strengthandhonour]

Since the topics of ugly and beauty came up..
I recommend any of the following reads by famous Italian author Umberto Eco...

and..

makes some interesting points of how the environment around us influences what we find beautiful and some interesting data showing how what is perceived as beautiful has changed drastically through the centuries.
I think claiming all non-European women are ugly is a bit shallow in my opinion. I have seen SOME that I thought were attractive, when it comes to personal relationships though..that is another topic.

[M.R.]

I have the first one at home, nice read.

[Euro]

Originally Posted by Susi

Kind of difficult in the Scottish case, given the mixtures of Isles "races" one encounters in the Isles.







And somehow you'd throw away all emotions you had about her? Cold, man. It's weird to expect a woman to tell you every single thing she's done or every man she's been with in the beginning of a relation

Hum, my preferences stay firmly on the European continent and tend to rest in England, though I don't think I'd have a problem with someone who is Dutch or Northwestern European in general. I've been on two or three dates with Russians but I found that the cultural differences were really too much.

You may not like Scottish people I don’t know but what I can tell you is if your European you belong to the 1 race the people of Scotland for the majority are European if you mean breed as in Norse or Celtic the Scots are the Scots and mostly Celtic. There’s more diversity in England than Scotland so the chances of race mixing is far greater also the English are a mixture of Europeans also even to a larger extent than the Scots.

What I am trying to say is Scots are European and the real people of Scotland have always been European you may have Celtic and Norse blood or Dutch and Celtic but your still European.
May I just say something also your probably a very attractive and attractive spoken women Susi.

[Euro]

Why Europeans find non Europeans attractive in most cases is because non Europeans in the west show characteristics of Europeans and many show features of Europeans ie mixed race.

Some do it maliciously such as black men and Asian men hunting white women for the sole reason to use and abuse them for sexual purposes like a sex toy then disregard them when there bored.

After being in the west or being influenced by European culture they learn due to there environment they have to even if they do not wish to. They learn how to talk how to communicate like us and to even cloth and dress like us or similar to us to Europeans. They also try to look like us African women put extensions into there hair to make there hair silk and smooth or treat there hair with tons of chemicals and straightners many non Europeans die there hair brown, red, blonde which wouldn’t be a possibility in nature and many even wear fake contact lenses.

Its concerning and if worries me greatly its open to exploitation and in more cases than non is used politically an example is of the Muslims appearing on TV and dressing and appearing to make us feel we have more in common with them and give off the persona that there respectful people and just like us when it couldn’t be further from the truth.

It really concerns me that its 1 thing a European choosing to breed to have sex and to have a relationship and have kids with a non European but its a completely other thing when there taken in under false pretences that that person appears more European than they really are from died hair and contact lenses or the worst case scenario appear to be European. I have talked to women online from America mostly from forums ect who pose as Europeans to then find out when I examined there behaviour and slip ups that things didn’t add up and then to find out they weren’t as European as they appeared to be and were posing as Europeans even going as far as all out lying.