Christianism and Paganism. Yet Another Discussion

[Savage]

If the myth of Odin should referer to a historical person, he is one.



The jewish philosopher and magus Jesus Christus has had wide impact on Europe.



So has Walt Disney, through his avatars Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse and several others. A kingdom does not nesessary have to be a traditional, but can be of imagination. I referers to the Disneyconcerns universe, not the Church`s



Karl Marx have had great impact...like it or not.
See what a book can do?



and his brothers have great impact in USA



and of course the usual list of statesmen, dictarors and imperialists...

And what about Archimedes, Michelangelo, Paracelsus, Galilei, Goethe, Dostojevskii, Mozart, and Swinburne?

[Galaico]

What about Prometheus? He stole fire from Zeus' palace and showed people how to use it.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Thore Hund

If the myth of Odin should referer to a historical person, he is one.

The jewish philosopher and magus Jesus Christus has had wide impact on Europe.

Jewish? But.. I thought he was nordish!

So has Walt Disney, through his avatars Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse and several others. A kingdom does not nesessary have to be a traditional, but can be of imagination. I refreres to the Disneyconcerns universe, not the Church`s

Now put down the pop-corn and that bottle of coca-cola SLOWLY AND WITHOUT DOING ANY STRANGE MOVE!!!

Originally Posted by Galaico

What about Prometheus? He stole fire from Zeus' palace and showed people how to use it.

Evidence that Prometheus was Mediterranean and Zeus Nordo-Germanic?

[Galaico]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Jewish? But.. I thought he was nordish!

Well, Jesus was a Celto-Aryan from the Nordic tribe of Galilee, later moved to England where he founded the British-Israelism movement, and after that had to move to the USA to hide the Mormon Egyptian scripts with the help of the KKK who were followers of the true Gnostic Templars.

Evidence that Prometheus was Mediterranean and Zeus Nordo-Germanic?

I'm sure you already knew that Zeus was the father of the true Nordo-Germanic Greeks that founded the Hellene and European Civilization, while Prometheus represented the undeveloped Meds that ruined it.

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Galaico

Well, Jesus was a Celto-Aryan from the Nordic tribe of Galilee, later moved to England where he founded the British-Israelism movement, and after that had to move to the USA to hide the Mormon Egyptian scripts with the help of the KKK who were followers of the true Gnostic Templars..

It was on his travel from Galilee to England that he Met marie-Magdala [who was of an ancient celto-jeweish royal lineage who had flown from Canaa to Argolida in Greece and generation laters to N Europa where they melted with the frankish]and founded the Merovingian dinasty.

Originally Posted by Galaico

I'm sure you already knew that Zeus was the father of the true Nordo-Germanic Greeks that founded the Hellene and European Civilization, while Prometheus represented the undeveloped Meds that ruined it.

BIG DEAL!!!
Of course we knew it! Every body Knows That!!! Even, Cheik Anta Diop knows it!!!

[Slavni]

Originally Posted by Duchemin

10 - Electricity : Volta, Edison

Nikola Tesla?

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Jewish? But.. I thought he was nordish!

Obviously some Nordisch...Perhaps originally Danish? The Danes have a freestate within Copenhagen, called Christiania, with many peoply of very high spirits, their Kingdoms not of this world. Descendants?













And take a look at the extatic expression of the eyes...Could it be that CIA have given him lysergerdiathylamid25?



Which anyway brings me to the most important bicyclist in Europe,



Dr.Albert Hofmann.

Dr. Hofmann's influence on the world as we know it today can not be estimated. From studies in consciousness to psychiatry and psychology, from music over art to fashion, computer and software development to philosophy, spirituality, and religious studies, his discovery of the psychoactive properties of LSD-25 have touched millions of people all over the world.

From Dr.Hoffmanns logg concerning " Bicycle day"... Source

Here the notes in my laboratory journal cease. I was able to write the last words only with great effort. By now it was already clear to me that LSD had been the cause of the remarkable experience of the previous Friday, for the altered perceptions were of the same type as before, only much more intense. I had to struggle to speak intelligibly. I asked my laboratory assistant, who was informed of the self-experiment, to escort me home. We went by bicycle, no automobile being available because of wartime restrictions on their use. On the way home, my condition began to assume threatening forms. Everything in my field of vision wavered and was distorted as if seen in a curved mirror. I also had the sensation of being unable to move from the spot. Nevertheless, my assistant later told me that we had traveled very rapidly. Finally, we arrived at home safe and sound, and I was just barely capable of asking my companion to summon our family doctor and request milk from the neighbors.


In spite of my delirious, bewildered condition, I had brief periods of clear and effective thinking—and chose milk as a nonspecific antidote for poisoning.

The dizziness and sensation of fainting became so strong at times that I could no longer hold myself erect, and had to lie down on a sofa. My surroundings had now transformed themselves in more terrifying ways. Everything in the room spun around, and the familiar objects and pieces of furniture assumed grotesque, threatening forms. They were in continuous motion, animated, as if driven by an inner restlessness. The lady next door, whom I scarcely recognized, brought me milk—in the course of the evening I drank more than two liters. She was no longer Mrs. R., but rather a malevolent, insidious witch with a col*ored mask.

Even worse than these demonic transformations of the outer world, were the alterations that I perceived in myself, in my inner being. Every exertion of my will, every attempt to put an end to the disintegration of the outer world and the dissolution of my ego, seemed to be wasted effort. A demon had invaded me, had taken possession of my body, mind, and soul. I jumped up and screamed, trying to free myself from him, but then sank down again and lay helpless on the sofa. The substance, with which I had wanted to experiment, had vanquished me. It was the demon that scornfully triumphed over my will. I was seized by the dreadful fear of going insane. I was taken to another world, another place, another time. My body seemed to be without sensation, lifeless, strange. Was I dying? Was this the transition? At times I believed myself to be outside my body, and then perceived clearly, as an outside observer, the complete tragedy of my situation. I had not even taken leave of my family (my wife, with our three children had traveled that day to visit her parents, in Lucerne). Would they ever understand that I had not experimented thoughtlessly, irresponsibly, but rather with the utmost caution, and that such a result was in no way foreseeable? My fear and despair intensified, not only because a young family should lose its father, but also because I dreaded leaving my chemistry research work, which meant so much to me, unfinished in the midst of fruitful, promising development. Another reflection took shape, an idea full of bitter irony: if I was now forced to leave this world prematurely, it was because of this lysergic acid diethylamide that I myself had brought forth into the world.

By the time the doctor arrived, the climax of my despondent condition had already passed. My laboratory assistant informed him about my self-experiment, as I myself was not yet able to formulate a coherent sentence. He shook his head in perplexity, after my attempts to describe the mortal danger that threatened my body. He could detect no abnormal symptoms other than extremely dilated pupils. Pulse, blood pressure, breathing were all normal. He saw no reason to prescribe any medication. Instead he conveyed me to my bed and stood watch over me. Slowly I came back from a weird, unfamiliar world to reassuring everyday reality. The horror softened and gave way to a feeling of good fortune and gratitude, the more normal perceptions and thoughts returned, and I became more confident that the danger of insanity was conclusively past.

Now, little by little I could begin to enjoy the unpre*cedented colors and plays of shapes that persisted behind my closed eyes. Kaleidoscopic, fantastic images surged in on me, alternating, variegated, opening and then closing themselves in circles and spirals, exploding in colored fountains, rearranging and hybridizing themselves in constant flux. It was particularly remarkable how every acoustic perception, such as the sound of a doorhandle or a passing automobile, became transformed into optical perceptions. Every sound generated a vividly changing image, with its own consistent form and color.

Late in the evening my wife returned from Lucerne. Someone had informed her by telephone that I was suffering a mysterious breakdown. She had returned home at once, leaving the children behind with her parents. By now, I had recovered myself sufficiently to tell her what had happened.

Exhausted, I then slept, to awake next morning refreshed, with a clear head, though still somewhat tired physically. A sensation of well-being and renewed life flowed through me. Breakfast tasted delicious and gave me extraordinary pleasure. When I later walked out into the garden, in which the sun shone now after a spring rain, everything glistened and sparkled in a fresh light. The world was as if newly created. All my senses vibrated in a condition of highest sensitivity, which persisted for the entire day.

This self-experiment showed that LSD-25 behaved as a psychoactive substance with extraordinary properties and potency. There was to my knowledge no other known substance that evoked such profound psychic effects in such extremely low doses that caused such dramatic changes in human consciousness and our experience of the inner and outer world.

What seemed even more significant was that I could remember the experience of LSD inebriation in every detail. This could only mean that the conscious recording function was not interrupted, even in the climax of the LSD experience, despite the profound breakdown of the normal worldview. For the entire duration of the experiment, I had even been aware of participating in an experiment, but despite this recognition of my condition, I could not, with every exertion of my will, shake off the LSD world. Everything was experienced as completely real, as alarming reality; alarming, because the picture of the other, familiar everyday reality was still fully preserved in the memory for comparison.

Another surprising aspect of LSD was its ability to
produce such a far-reaching, powerful state of inebriation without leaving a hangover. Quite the contrary,
on the day after the LSD experiment I felt myself to be as already described, in excellent physical and mental condition.

I was aware that LSD, a new active compound with such properties, would have to be of use in pharmacology, in neurology, and especially in psychiatry, and that it would attract the interest of concerned specialists. But at that time I had no inkling that the new substance would also come to be used beyond medical science, as an intoxicant in the drug scene. Since my self-experiment had revealed LSD in its terrifying, demonic aspect, the last thing I could have expected was that this substance could ever find application as anything approaching a pleasure drug. I failed, moreover, to recognize the meaningful connection between LSD inebriation and spontaneous visionary experience until much later, after further experiments, which were carried out with far lower doses and under different conditions.

Next day I wrote to Professor Stoll the above-mentioned report about my extraordinary experience with LSD-25 and sent a copy to the director of the pharmacological department, Professor Rothlin.

As expected, the first reaction was incredulous as*tonishment. Instantly a telephone call came from the management; Professor Stoll asked: "Are you certain you made no mistake in the weighing? Is the stated dose really correct?" Professor Rothlin also called, asking the same question. I was certain of this point, for I had executed the weighing and dosage with my own hands. Yet their doubts were justified to some extent, for until then no known substance had displayed even the slightest psychic" effect in fraction-of-a-milligram Hoses. An active compound of such potency seemed almost unbelievable.

Professor Rothlin himself and two of his colleagues were the first to repeat my experiment, with only one-third of the dose I had utilized. But even at that level, the effects were still extremely impressive, and quite fantastic. All doubts about the statements in my report were eliminated.


Comment: I do not recommend anybody to take LSD.

[Savage]

The good old Devil seems also to have had,
and or have great influence on the Earth asswhole.



So in the name of justice, he should enter a throne in this European list of mighty and important figures, like it or not.

The Devil has tempted Europeans, and lead Europeans to terrible sins, since he immigrated here, gradual northwards from about 2000 years ago. Europids has been less influenced, as they often were more bound to their own local devils.

Always problems with those immigrants.

[Pagandawn]

Sad but true.

I have to pick Jesus. He was of course, never a historical person. A fact that every intelligent person is aware of by now. He is a mythological figure.

There is nothing more Jewish then Jesus, the bible and xtianism.

Thore Hund was banned! That's a shame! He seem to have been my kind of guy.

We heathens must organize, make a rebellion and take over this site.

Then we kick lil' Jesus butt to where it belong. Israhell.

[Menydh]

You still have to give a rational explanation to you anti-Christianism.

I suppose that since your first item in your agenda is anti-Christianism, if there is a conflict between Christianity and Islam in Europe you will be consequent and support Islam or none?

[Pagandawn]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

You still have to give a rational explanation to you anti-Christianism.

I suppose that since your first item in your agenda is anti-Christianism, if there is a conflict between Christianity and Islam in Europe you will be consequent and support Islam or none?

Rational explanation?

Isn't it obvious? I am a European nationalist as you are.

Therefore I cannot embrace a Jooish religion. It is below my European dignety to worship a dead kike on a stick. You simply don't do that.

Islam? Yes, the immigration of Muslim peoples to Europe is a problem. But, it is a minor problem. They don't decide what we can or cannot say. They don't own our newspapers and our banks. They don't put us in jail when we are anti PC. The joos do.

I dislike xtianism because it is a joo religion. And using this criteria.

Yes, I prefer Islam to xtianism. Islam also is a offspring from Judaism, but to a lesser extent. The koran don't have any old testament.

So, Both xtianism and Islam are impossible for a Euro for the same reason: They are both Joo religions impossible for a Euro to embrace. Forced to chose? I would prefer to be a Muslim to a xtian.


PS: I really like you Mynydd. We share the same views on most things. And when it comes to xtians, catholics and lutherans more or less have their brains intact. The rest? Are crazy lunatics.

The orthodox, don't know enough to have an opinion.

[Pagandawn]

Well Mynydd,

I'm waiting, this is a debate you cannot win.

Showdown time!

[Susi]

I think, Pagandawn, that you should explain yourself a little bit more than "it is a joo (jew?) religion"... firstly use an adjective instead of a noun when describing something (jewish, rather than joo/jew) (sorry, I am a bit crazy with grammar/spelling... anyways)

And another point: Mynydd doesn't spend all his time on this forum-- 2 hours between your posts doesn't mean he's run away in fear from your oh-so logical and amazing arguments....

I don't think that the migration of Muslims to Europe is a "minor" problem... or should you ask the guy in Paris who has his car burnt because he's French? Or maybe the Islamic woman who gets raped because she has "assimilated" into European culture? Or maybe the normal European woman who gets raped because of how she dresses? Or perhaps the attacks on the subway in London or the attacks on the trains in Madrid?

You know, totally minor problems, really. A complete and utter difference in culture won't be too much to deal with especially with millions of them migrating to Europe.... I too prefer terrorism, raping women, and backwards doctrine to Christianity. Sure, there are "moderate" Muslims, but if many of them are going to "misbehave" per se, then I don't think that they're a "minor problem".

How can you like Islam if you hate "Jooish" (Jewish) religions? ... I'm not even going to comment on this one.

What about the vast array of European history with mighty leaders (who also happened to be Christians)? What about Charlemagne? What about the majority of European leaders that have existed since the advent of Christianity in Europe? Are they all worthless joos (Jews)?

[Sergius]

We have this discussion every now and then, and as far as I know, no more Stirpes members sacrifice goats or worship stones now than they did before. If you want to convert people, you should probably start somewhere else...