Inventing God?

[Savage]

Archetypical manipulations

Jung formulated an interesting bridge between modern psychology and traditional spiritual concepts. Archetypes. The word is selfilluminative.

Not only artists and mystics may have move within and perhaps strive to maneover in the universe of archetypical ideas.

From ideas are new ideas born, and for the imaginative, it is of course possible to imagine a
imagination that are aware of its own existence.

And further on, constructing it idea after idea. This could lead to options for, or nescessity, of maneovering between, and or manipulating archetypical ideas.

To increase the possibilities for archetypical manipulations, it does really not matter if one belives if there does exist a God or not.

Man inventing God?

Perhaps one may invent an idea of a primary source, idea, intelligence ...or God?

The Highest, it should be, you name it, and from that comes all ideas, so one may follow the idea back to Highest, to the source of it. If it is the second highest, we are not there yet, and may continue to reveal layers...

So, the Highest idea, or the idea of "the Highest", the source of all ideas, may be a useful idea no matter what.
Zen?

The primary idea

If we follow this idea, to the primary source of all ideas, the intelligent idea that;

knows all,
and are in all,
that occures to all times,


Logical?

From this primary idea, eminates ideas on ideas, that makes all things occure. Also basical and instinctive wills, emotions, intellectual activity and physical motions are initiated by ideas, ideas may be mighty,...

If it is not, it is not the idea that I am referering to here. And if it is not conscious it is neither. This idea is supposed to be timeless, if it is no, it is not the one.

This may start shaping like ideas of a god,.. or of God. And if that idea was wiser than me, and took over where I ended, it may be a suitable Lord to me? Could be a nice companion...

The masquerade of the Abyss

Yes, one may have many gods, or perceptions of reality. But behind all their functions and masks, I still can trace the various ideas back to the one idea, the prior one, the archetypical idea of ideas, the highest idea, the first idea that all ideas eminates from.

The Highest idea, or perhaps just "The Highest".

At the end of the day, inventing an idea of God, or God, may be a good idea, and I see at least two options.

If there existed no God, one had anyway created oneself a mighty mental tool, useful to manipulate archetypical ideas, something far out of reach for the intellect of the personality alone.

And on the other hand, if there does exist a God.., well what then?...



FIAT LUX!

[Savage]

From the article "Jungs Archetypes"

Archetypes As Defined By Carl Jung
The Archetypal Patterns
The Nature of the Archetypes
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" -Dreams and myths are constellations of archetypal images. They are not free compositions by an artist who plans them for artistic or informational effects. Dreams and myths happen to human beings. The archetype speaks through us. It is a presence and a possibility of "significance." The ancients called them "gods" and "goddesses."

" ...In other words, archetypes are elemental forces which play a vital role in the creation of the world and of the human mind itself. The ancients called them elemental spirits How do archetypes operate? Jung found the archetypal patterns and images in every culture and in every time period of human history. They behaved according to the same laws in all cases. He postulated the Universal Unconscious to account for this fact. We humans do not have separate, personal unconscious minds. We share a single Universal Unconscious. Mind is rooted in the Unconscious just as a tree is rooted in the ground. Imagine the Universal Unconscious as a cosmic computer. Our minds are subdirectories of the root directory."

Jung mentions the Universal Unconcious, but imagine also the angle of view of the Universal Conscious...

[Menydh]

Don't torture yourself trying to find exotic philosophical explanations. It is very simple. It is a universal symbiosis:

God invented Man, and in turn (or in revenge) Man invented God.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Don't torture yourself trying to find exotic philosophical explanations. It is very simple. It is a universal symbiosis:

God invented Man, and in turn (or in revenge) Man invented God.

Oh, Jungs bridge is great, but still such ideas may be displayed in thousand ways. And surfing on such ideas is as thrilling as football could be.

A surfacial glance may do for some, perhaps for some intellectuals, that may modify any living idea into hypothetical theories.

But how do you experience the difference on collective subconcious and collective conscious?

It may be that the unsconsciopusness only are unconscious to the individual personalitys consciousness, and by trancdending it below its limitations, the collecitive subconscious transforms to the collective conscious? Just a question of angle of view. I`ll take that discussion with Carl Gustav.

Perhaps the all and nothing, the One and Zero synthezises here? Zen again.

The Master ands the dreaming dog may be an illustrative picture...

[Menydh]

entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem