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YouTube - Dutch comedian licks jesus on christian channel - These are a few of the delights of liberal progressive Europe. Seems like the historical masonic ideology is getting what it most obviously desired openly in its heyday, hatred towards religion and Christianity in particular.

That should be in bad taste even for an atheist capable of discerning with reason the justice or not of his actions. It is supposedly passed off as "open and tolerant" but all I see there is an attempt to scandalise and offend the beliefs of Christians in order to raise audience. I consider that demonstration a true demonstration of hatred. Just imagine if that crucified figure, was hypothetically you, instead of Jesus Christ, and a "comedian" (of your same sex to make it "worse") licked you implying sexual depravity (just imagine something which is depraved to you), would you sincerely feel undefamed, undefiled and not dishonoured?

Just so that you know, this is what the Dutch "comedian" supposedly said according to the guy who posted the flick:

"Little prophet with your tight little ass."
"I'm so happy my parents don't have to go through all this anymore."
"Nope, he didn't ressurect."
"Isn't it amazing that we have a prophet that you can make fun of?"

The resurrection bit, just to make sure you get it, has nothing to do with Christs' resurrection from the dead but is once again a sexual allusion.

That is so vile, that I'm starting to think that Holland is one country which I wouldn't visit even if I was a politician or a political diplomat. Are there any Dutch here? How is it living there? A friend had acquaintances who visited the country, and they said that Dutch society is actually in shambles socio-morally speaking. Would you concur with that? These guys weren't actually Catholic or Christian I believe, that even more confirms that I should never set foot in Holland.

I've left some comments there as Ferringa.

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It's an obscene gesture, intended only to attack and offend Christians.

It's ironic that in the time of political correctness insanity, christians are the only one who still get exposed to this kind of abuse. You cannot offend muslims, immigrants, gays etc but you can offend christians, insanity.

If this comedian did the same to an Islamic symbol, he would either have been murdered (vida Van Gogh's murder in Amsterdam) or else half the world (muslim world) would be rioting (see the cartoons consequences in Denmark).
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Nothing else but - scum...

When I hear of these things, I wonder if Europe deserves to survive at all.

The degeneracy has gone just too far...

We have great many so-called liberties, eg. you can mock Jesus or any other religious figure, we have pornography, media that dumben us, but at the same it is almost impossible to raise family, make a decent living....we lack basic freedom that makes us human beings.
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Don't miss the comments of the poster of the video:
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I remember in an interview with mr Richard Dawkins that us Europeans were called intolerant by some christian american woman. I don't know where she's been for the last 10+ years but in the Netherlands we are MUCH more tolerant than in the US.

This little segment comes from "Tegen beter weten in", a show of a comedian called "Theo Maassen".

This was aired, without any problems/protests/riots, on one the christian channels, the VARA.

I guess it would just show how tolerant we actually are in the netherlands.....

Can I also use this opportunity to deny the holy spirit? Hehe. Enjoy.
By the way, Maassen looks homosexual.
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This is what the Jew neo-con Daniel Pipes said in relation with the so-called Mohammed cartoons:

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"Will the West stand up for its customs and mores, including freedom of speech, or will Muslims impose their way of life on the West? Ultimately, there is no compromise," Pipes wrote. "Westerners will either retain their civilization, including the right to insult and blaspheme, or not."


So the right to blaspheme is one of the fundamental characteristics of the "modern West"?
We all have this "right", supposedly? As for myself, I never wanted this "right", someone has imposed it to me. So here I solemnly declare that I renounce this "right" that Daniel Pipes and other priests of the modern Judeo-Masonic West gave to me. The "right" in question (to blaspheme) was bestowed upon me without my consent, so I consider it worthless!

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Repeated questions to Rose, Pipes, and the editors of JP about whether Europeans should also have the right "insult and blaspheme" the Zionist version of the Holocaust went unanswered. Currently, no fewer than 4 historical revisionists are in European prisons for having written or spoken about the Holocaust in a manner deemed to be illegal.
...but to mock Jesus is acceptable. It seems to me that one of the aims of the Mohammed cartoons affair (apart from fomenting support for American wars) was to further the cause of right to blaspheme Christianity too.

Whoever tries to protest against blaspheming Jesus, images of rioting mobs in the streets of Damascus, Beyrouth etc., will be shown to him and some priest of political correctness will possibly say to him: "Look at these people, do you possibly want to resemble them?"

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the actual point of the act and clip was to merely emphasize a tolerance in western society by having the ability to laugh with religion in regards of the narrowmindedness of muslims and their non ability to put things into perspective. now standupcomedians in theater and cabaret performances are to be characterized by exaggeration and being on the edge of the ruling morality. that's by definition. though i understand people are being offended, i surely do. but you don't have to watch it, basically nobody is forcing another individual to do so.

its not a christian channel
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the actual point of the act and clip was to merely emphasize a tolerance in western society by having the ability to laugh with religion in regards of the narrowmindedness of muslims and their non ability to put things into perspective. now standupcomedians in theater and cabaret performances are to be characterized by exaggeration and being on the edge of the ruling morality. that's by definition. though i understand people are being offended, i surely do. but you don't have to watch it, basically nobody is forcing another individual to do so.

its not a christian channel
The real factor that pisses me off, if I should theoretically speaking for the sake of argument ditch my Catholic Faith which requires militancy in every aspect of life and to hell with Catholic in private and atheist in public (because that is what it really implies), and adopt liberal thought without double standards, why have laws against Holocaust denial/revisionism (something which personally, I neither deny and I'm not even interested in revising, although I would be interested to see Jewish abuse of it for financial gain ended) or laws against the incitement of racial hatred? A law against the incitement of religious hatred should also be adopted of logic and coherence are safeguarded virtues. In my view they are, and they should be more so to liberals who constantly emphasize their rationalist nature.

However, reality is that liberals merely have their own agenda, and as more and more days pass one notices that it is a total subversion, revolution, of anything which is Christian and traditionally inspired. That sounds very masonic as well, and freemasonry is a subject I want to research.
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the actual point of the act and clip was to merely emphasize a tolerance in western society by having the ability to laugh with religion in regards of the narrowmindedness of muslims and their non ability to put things into perspective. now standupcomedians in theater and cabaret performances are to be characterized by exaggeration and being on the edge of the ruling morality. that's by definition. though i understand people are being offended, i surely do. but you don't have to watch it, basically nobody is forcing another individual to do so.
No. The point is that these scumbags are defining European civilisation as a compendium of vulgarity, vileness, obscenity, degradation and a large number of other debased traits.

Tell me what exactly would you like to preserve more from all of them, or just all of them.

If that's the Europe alternative to the European Union, it is nothing different. We need an opt-out option and we need it now.
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I never thought it was. Probably Calvinist?
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No. The point is that these scumbags are defining European civilisation as a compendium of vulgarity, vileness, obscenity, degradation and a large number of other debased traits.

Tell me what exactly would you like to preserve more from all of them, or just all of them.

If that's the Europe alternative to the European Union, it is nothing different. We need an opt-out option and we need it now.
I never thought it was.
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Alright. Then tell me what the point to being obscene, irreverent and vile is, and how is all that related to European or any other civilisation in his view.
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emphasize a tolerance in western society
Tolerance in western society? Tell that to this poor man:

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Alright. Then tell me what the point to being obscene, irreverent and vile is, and how is all that related to European or any other civilisation in his view.
If the obscenity, irreverence and vileness are the essence of Europe, then Europe deserves to die, to vanish, to disappear. I wouldn't shed a tear over it. Then I would say: "Let it be flooded by Muslims, Negroes and Chinese, I don't care." But, of course, I don't think these are parts of the European soul. These things are part of the so-called modern West, which is a degenerated non-civilization, a cancer of humanity, the worst and the most stupid civilization in the history of mankind.

Europe and "modern West" are in no way synonymous. As I already pointed out in another thread, modern West was indeed begotten by Europe, it is her child. But the child has gone mad in the meantime and is now killing his mother (antiquam matrem).

As for your allusion to Calvinism: well, you must bear in mind that crucifix (the thing this comedian mocks) is a prominently Catholic symbol. Calvinists traditionally abhor crucifix, seeing it as a sign of "Catholic idolatry." This mocking of a crucifix may be an expression of the age-old hatred of Northern European Calvinists of anything Catholic, this time disguised as modern liberal Christian-bashing. Of course, I don't think this "comedian" is even Calvinist, but he probably follows a ceratin tradition.

European nations, if they want to survive, must shake off the "modern Western" burden and discover anew their old traditions and identities. In this sense I understand this phrase taken from Eneid: Antiquam exquirite matrem.
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By the way, see what that spawn of a Calvinist hypocrite scumbag who posted the video means by tolerance..

I made two comments to which he answered:
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@Menydh, you could also stop flaming and actually discuss about it. It's fact that you're from spain and the majority agreed (your chosen government) to join the EU, and to be honest.. You would've been worse off without us.

Anyway, now to the REAL point. Why get all excited and mad about someone giving a french kiss to a WOODEN 'statue' of someone that's the supposed son in a MADE UP story?
To the first part of the comment, I answered by asking if (a) he had lived lived in Spain at the time to decide if it was better or worse, and that if (b) his idea of being better off was paedophilia, rapes, killings, and moral degradation, he knew what he could do with it.

To the second part, I simply said that I was actually an Agnostic (which I am by belief, though not by spirituality) but, unlike them, I value the respect to the spiritual beliefs of my forefathers.

I'm quoting by heart. Unfortunately I didn't take a screenshot of my posted comments when they showed briefly. Since, he has deleted them.

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Oh and before you comment on this, I'm not going to take you seriously if you don't come up with evidence. I don't care about your faith, I don't care what you believe in, I care about science. Fail to deliver it and keep flaming, then face my wrath and see your posts deleted
Here, my comment was that science is science, spiritual beliefs are another thing, and yet another thing is excusing obscenity, vulgarity and disrespect with science.

Also, I pointed to the hypocrisy of him in preaching tolerance on depends what is said.
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