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Sunday, April 30th, 2006
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Re: Free as a bird
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Another similar version of extreme freefalling that I've seen/heared of with parachute is with a motorbyke from a cliff. One case I heared of while I did freefall many years ago was that of one guy who jumped off the plane with a harness but no parachute. While freefalling, another fellow parachuter would give him a parachute that he hooked to the harness during the freefall. In one of the attempts he failed and died. Also, the parachute he hooked it on the chest and was smaller than the usual back parachute. This was an emegency parachute. Emergency parachutes of that style had the inconvenience that they were smaller and thus the landing was harsher. Added to that the fact that they pulled you from the chest and thus the landing was always in an incorrect position of the back. I knew one guy who had his back badly damanged after having to land with one such emergency parachutes.
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'Dardanidae duri, quae uos a stirpe parentum prima tulit tellus, eadem uos ubere laeto
accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem: hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris, et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.'  We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. –Plato– 
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Sunday, April 30th, 2006
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Re: Free as a bird
Ofcourse if i have a parachute!BTW i have the training from my army service!
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Sunday, April 30th, 2006
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Re: Free as a bird
Huh, not sure...
 even with a good parachute.
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Monday, May 1st, 2006
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Re: Free as a bird
I voted 'maybe'. I probably would, but I haven't done freefalling in a very long time. The thing is that I stay away from it for a reason.
While I still parachuted I found out something that attracted me and at the same time disturbed me and made me feel insecure. From my first jump off the plane, even before starting with freefalling, everytime I felt strong shots of adrenaline running through my body. And it was precisely this that I enjoyed so much. As you get more used to do it, the levels of adrenaline release decrease producing a sense diminishing returns. Then you start feeling the need to take things one step farther. It's happened to no few people that they have lost control over this, and gone to great lengths to keep getting these strong releases of adrenaline through extreme emotions. I'm sure that you know what I mean. Something similar happens to me in the sea. When sailing, you should always look forward to nice weather, calm seas and medium winds. Instead, I feel a similar emotion with rough weather. When in the middle of a stormy weather, after long hours when I start to feel exhausted I look forward to get away from the storm. Then, when the storm is passed by and I have some rest, I wish that I were there again. Fortunately over here you don't get as many chances to get into rough weather. 
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'Dardanidae duri, quae uos a stirpe parentum prima tulit tellus, eadem uos ubere laeto
accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem: hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris, et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.' We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. –Plato–
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Monday, May 1st, 2006
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Re: Free as a bird
I voted "no".
I have a very strong sense of self-preservation (ie. I'm a born survivor )As the success of the parachute is not 100% guranteed then it involves risking my life. In itself that is not a problem. I risk my life everyday driving on the roads. I would risk my life fighting in a just war for my country. But all these things have a serious objective - working for money to live and raise a family, defending my nation/people from attack, etc. But this kind of extreme "sport" is simply done for thrill seeking, a "boredom-filler" if you will. Rather than throwing myself off cliffs, I prefer to get my thrills through more old fashioned methods which are both at once safer and more pleasurable
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The traditions of the Irish people are the oldest of any race in Europe north and west of the Alps, and they themselves are the longest settled on their own soil - Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922) The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth. For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish. - Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596). The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation. - Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation. - Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences
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Monday, May 1st, 2006
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Re: Free as a bird
I voted no. I'm a ground man, I don't deal very well with heights. That and my self-preservation instinct that kicks in when I see those kinds of situations...
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Monday, May 1st, 2006
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Re: Free as a bird
Actually this cliff Prekestolen is not the place for the maiden jump...  Not too many meters to the cliff... A jump from a plane would be safer. I`ll do that instead.... Last edited by Savage; Monday, May 1st, 2006 at 23:07.
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Monday, May 1st, 2006
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Halo!
As far as I recall, the added danger when jumping off from a cliff or a building was the thermal currents. First off you must dive a little to distance yourself well enough from the cliff/building to open the parachute safely. Even then, a strong thermal current might push you to the walls of the cliff/building.. and...
One fall that I would have loved to do is one known as HALO (High Altitude Low Opening). But for it I would have had to sign an additional 3-year contract with the army, unless you are willing to pay a lot of money to do it. The [military] idea behind HALO is that special commands jump at an altitude where radars don't spot the plane, and they can skydive a long distance. Then, the parachute is opened at a low altitude to reduce the time when they can be a visible target. HALO is performed at altitudes of around 30,000 feet (9,144 meters) but can be of 60,000 feet (18,288 meters!!!).. or higher!!!!, and the equipment includes oxygen masks. Another version is HAHO (High Altitude High Opening). The altitude is reduced here to a maximum of 25,000 feet or so, and the idea behind it is to open the parachute at a still relatively high altitude in order for the command to be able to glide long distances. The altitude for military static parachuting is usually of 2,500 feet (762 meters). A HALO freefall  A HALO freefall at 15,000 feet  A HALO freefall at 30,100 feet  Nice..   Equipment for 60,000+ HAHO skydiving! 
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'Dardanidae duri, quae uos a stirpe parentum prima tulit tellus, eadem uos ubere laeto
accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem: hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris, et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.' We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. –Plato–
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Monday, May 1st, 2006
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Re: Halo!
HAHO is militarily useless. You may not get on their radars when you exit, but you sure as hell get caught by flak afterwards. Remember Crete? My grandfather was there. It's like skeet shooting - and you're the clay dove.
And if there is no flak there is also no need to avoid a radar, right? Militarily the main goal is to exit as low as possible when in combat - a very risky endeavor for the paratroopers (parachutes getting tied up or colliding) as well as the pilot (flak and landscape obstacles). I'd do a basejump again, but only if the thermic situation is relatively safe. While life is shit getting smashed into a bloody pulp on a cliff or skyscraper is still a little worse.
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 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. 1. Peter 1:24-25 Real misanthropes are not found in solitude, but in the world; since it is experience of life, and not philosophy, which produces real hatred of mankind. - Giacomo Leopardi (1798-1837)
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Monday, May 1st, 2006
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Re: Free as a bird
Basejumpers are normally much more afraid of the legal and financial consequences of basejumping than of ending up as a bloody pulp of splintered bones, brain mass and blood.
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For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. 1. Peter 1:24-25 Real misanthropes are not found in solitude, but in the world; since it is experience of life, and not philosophy, which produces real hatred of mankind. - Giacomo Leopardi (1798-1837)
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Monday, May 1st, 2006
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Re: Free as a bird
I forgot i don't have a HALO-HAHO just static-line basic parachute training!
But yes i would tried,if you pay the funeral axpencies !
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Monday, May 1st, 2006
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Re: Free as a bird
Funeral expenses? Heck, what's left of you if you clash easily fits into an empty beer can.
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For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. 1. Peter 1:24-25 Real misanthropes are not found in solitude, but in the world; since it is experience of life, and not philosophy, which produces real hatred of mankind. - Giacomo Leopardi (1798-1837)
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