Anti- Cokeheads

[Savage]

First, I do not care what adults are putting into themselves in discession, for my share, they may inject plutonium for all I care.

What worries me is the escaling abuse of central stimulating substances as cocaine and amphetamine. The latter, "speed" are used normally used by the lower classes, and contributes to a wide degree to fill up the madhouses when the late effects of this shit occures.

What is perhaps more dangerous, is cocaine abuse, because its signal effect.

Cocaine is abused by popstars, TV-host and TV stars in Norway, and I know its the same shit in most western societies. It has a faked aura of "sucsess" and being "in".

For those losers that lacks selfconfidence and vigority, a few liners before going on the air is not uncommon. So they show up onscreen, so witty, refreshed, and with eyes like coca-beans, loaded with artificial "selfconfidence".

If there were a toilet large enough to flush them all down in once, I would gladly have pushed that button.

Because of the signal effect these wrecked losers disaplay. Their programs are watched by youths and children, and they are not stooopid. The TV-stars more or less open flirt with it, are easily understood by the youth, some of them in a risque group too. This cocine-commercials may be what tilts them over to the disconseption, that " if you snort cocaine, you are "in", one of the boys/girls." Its a sign of sucess". But is is certainly not.

What is not shown at TV, are these wrecks miserable lives, their lack of selfconfidence, natural vigority and mental balance. Attitudes to condemn these creeps abuse should be spread and adopted, these wrecks should be hung out, so the whole world could see their misery, instead of their quack "splendour".

There is few drugabusers I dislike as much as cocainists, especially those that are public persons, and thereby are setting bad examples for the youth. Their responsiblity for youths abuse are much larger than any of thes low scumming hustlers ever are able to admit.

The TV-stations should actually be raided by police now and then, also on- air, so these could get revealed and punished for their cocaine-PR, and be banned from TV stations and hitlists. Also I gladly would like to kick their creeping asses with my Polish riding boots, but that is a personal greeting.


So please, take a clear point of view, and condemn these hustlers, that lures the youth into be drugabusers as they are themselves.




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[Milesian]

Originally Posted by Savage

There is few drugabusers I dislike as much as cocainists,

Cannabis smokers irritate me more than most.
Whils I dislike all drug abuse, that more than anything really rubs me up the wrong way. Everything about it irritates me. Unfortunately, it is also the most prevalent.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Milesian

Cannabis smokers irritate me more than most.
Whils I dislike all drug abuse, that more than anything really rubs me up the wrong way. Everything about it irritates me. Unfortunately, it is also the most prevalent.

By not distincting between cocaine abuse and cannabis smoking, one lays the threshold for going from cannabis smoking to cocaine abuse lower, and actually may though this fanatism contribute to that cannabis smokers may belive it is the same, or has the same degrees of dependentness and harmfulness to body and mind.

But in this thread, cocaine abusers are targeted, please take the cannabis debate in another thread. It is two different things, and two different debates. Also beerdrinkers I find extremely boring and quite often stagnated, but this is neither the thread for discussing alchol use/abuse.

This is the Anti-cokehead thread, please keep the focus.


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[Susi]

Marijuana is so prevalent amongst youth here that it's getting ridiculous.. I think we should target this before cocaine.

But the current system for preventing drug abuse doesn't really work. What the kids need is to go downtown and see the cokeheads. See what pathetic human beings they are that smell of piss and cigarettesmoke and sweat and just in general disgusting because they are covered in human excrement and their clothes barely hang on their mangy little bodies that have taken so much abuse from doing a dead end thing like taking drugs.

[Red Skull]

I have friends that use speed or coke every once in a while, and they're as normal as they come. As long as you have a strong will and mind and don't let it slip into abuse, then I see no problem with it.

I myself occasionally smoke cannabis, and I am aware that abuse can ruin your life, as I was almost on that wretched path once.

A drug one should avoid like the plague is heroin, it will completely destroy you. LSD and ecstasy in their pure forms are not dangerous at all, it's the impure stuff that has its price on your physical and mental health.

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by Red Skull

I have friends that use speed or coke every once in a while, and they're as normal as they come. As long as you have a strong will and mind and don't let it slip into abuse, then I see no problem with it.

You are not serious, are you? Noone, who is normal, having a strong will and a clear mind, ever would touch this crap.

Originally Posted by Red Skull

I myself occasionally smoke cannabis, and I am aware that abuse can ruin your life, as I was almost on that wretched path once.

When you know it can ruin your life why are you doing it then? I do not want to have an answer anyway, I am sick of liberalism and moral relativism.

Originally Posted by Red Skull

A drug one should avoid like the plague is heroin, it will completely destroy you.

There are no good drugs and bad drugs. All drugs are bad.

Originally Posted by Red Skull

LSD and ecstasy in their pure forms are not dangerous at all, it's the impure stuff that has its price on your physical and mental health.

That's nonsense - pure LSD and Ecstasy can cause serious mental disorders as well as physical damages and even kill.

[Freebooter]

Originally Posted by Red Skull

A drug one should avoid like the plague is heroin, it will completely destroy you. LSD and ecstasy in their pure forms are not dangerous at all, it's the impure stuff that has its price on your physical and mental health.

I would say all drugs should be avoided. I fail to understand the logic - you seem to understand that even the most seemingly harmless drug has the capacity for ruining lives. Why take that risk? Are we to believe that your life is truly that terrible that you need to use such things as a means to escape reality?

This is not intended to be offensive to you, of course. Perhaps you could explain it to me so I can better understand.

[Red Skull]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

You are not serious, are you? Noone, who is normal, having a strong will and a clear mind, ever would touch this crap.

I am serious. And I do not currently smoke cannabis because I have a job and I have some other obligations to tend to. Being high is a state of being intoxicated, like being drunk. My friends' lives are not perfect, they do not strive for perfection, and neither do I, really.

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

When you know it can ruin your life why are you doing it then? I do not want to have an answer anyway, I am sick of liberalism and moral relativism.

I do it because I enjoy it. Even when I'm clean and no longer feel any withdrawal symptoms, I still think it's a fun thing to do with friends and smoke it again after a while. The food tastes better, movies get ten times more intriguing and exciting, you think in new and deeper levels, and you don't pick fights, like one often does when drunk.

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

There are no good drugs and bad drugs. All drugs are bad.

You have your definitions of good and bad, I have mine.

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

That's nonsense - pure LSD and Ecstasy can cause serious mental disorders as well as physical damages and even kill.

Really? I didn't know that. I'm not that familiar with ecstasy and LSD. I would never touch them because I have no need or wish to hallucinate and see things that aren't there. Cannabis or nothing, in my opinion. It should be as legal as alcohol.

Originally Posted by Vasconcelos

I would say all drugs should be avoided. I fail to understand the logic - you seem to understand that even the most seemingly harmless drug has the capacity for ruining lives. Why take that risk? Are we to believe that your life is truly that terrible that you need to use such things as a means to escape reality?

My life is off topic, but yes I have other reasons for smoking, it takes away a lot of anxiety and mental suffering.

Originally Posted by Vasconcelos

This is not intended to be offensive to you, of course. Perhaps you could explain it to me so I can better understand.

No problem, mate. You didn't offend me.


Actually my entire post is off topic, so I'll make it more on topic then:

I would never touch coke or speed, as it might light up the path to even worse drugs. They're also "party drugs", and I'm not much of a party person.

[Vincent]

It's simple.

[Strengthandhonour]

How many druggies have you heard say "Oh I have a strong will and mind, I don't get addicted" then some time later they are snoring drugs from toilet seats in ghettos.
The first stage of letting go of an obsession is realizing you are obsessed, which most druggies dont think they are. I am strictly against all drugs and consider them completely unproductive. Not only that, but many anti-European groups have used drugs to their advantage against our own people.
Whoever says drugs aren't bad..please, take a trip to your local city. go to the "bad" area of town and see for yourself. Crushed families and friendships.We have all seen all the little girls living in the poor areas that ran away from home..now being pimped by some African or Middle Eastern so they can support their obsession.

[Chauntecleer]

Wow, this thread is beginning to read like some lame government anti-drug campaign. Some of you guys need to lighten up and start thinking for yourselves. It's just stupid to assume that because people decide to experiment with drugs they automatically become druggies lacking a 'strong will and mind'. I know a lot of people who have taken drugs without any ill effect. Most of them have now moved on to study at very prestigious universities. There is a difference between experimenting with substances and abusing them. Just because some weak-minded individuals decide to fuck their lives up does not mean you can generalise millions of other drug users.

So long as recreational drug users are not harming anyone else, and are on their own property, who's right is it to decide what the fuck they can and can't ingest into their bodies?

Certainly our ancestors did not look down on people who experimented with shamanic drugs like Fly Agaric, so why should we? Should we make dreaming illegal too since our brains secrete DMT at night? It's a fundamental and spiritual right of ours to be able to expand our consciousness through chemical means.

You have to realise that as long as drugs are kept illegal there will always be a black market and hence demand for them. Part of the attraction to youngsters is that they're illegal - kind of like sampling the forbidden fruit, if you will. Politicians know that there is very little they can do to fight drugs, but of course they like to pretend they are fighting a 'war on drugs' to garner more public suppport come election time. Ask any narcotics officer somewhere like LA how futile the DEA's attempts to stop drugs smuggling are. They might make a seize of marijuana here and there, but the VAST majority of drugs (something like 95% plus) are still making it through to America. Think about how many better ways there are to spend government funding than on such exercises in stupidity...

And I'd like to know if the people condemning drug use smoke or drink, or condone their uses. Because if they do then they are hypocrites. Both of these are infinitely more damaging to society than even hard drugs.

But anyway, back to the original subject of this thread: I think that cocaine is bad news. I have no problem with people taking drugs that are produced locally and without harm to people (e.g. cannabis, LSD, mushrooms). However, taking cocaine and heroin is quite morally wrong. There are children in Brazilian fervellas as young as 13 and 14 who are being shot dead by rival gangs involved in cocaine distribution. Likewise, there is a similar situation in Afghanistan. Not to mention that they are usually smuggled through people's bodies. Do you really want to snort or inject something which came out of somebody's ass?

[Freebooter]

Originally Posted by Chauntecleer

Wow, this thread is beginning to read like some lame government anti-drug campaign. Some of you guys need to lighten up and start thinking for yourselves.

What makes you think that being opposed to drug use, not just drug abuse, indicates that we are borrowing the ideas and opinions of others? I can assure you that my opinion on drugs is an opinion I came to on my own.

It's just stupid to assume that because people decide to experiment with drugs they automatically become druggies lacking a 'strong will and mind'.

I can speak for myself when I say that no such assumption was made. However, to deny that even the most cautious use of drugs has the potential for opening the door to further, more dangerous use, is naive and idiotic.

I know a lot of people who have taken drugs without any ill effect. Most of them have now moved on to study at very prestigious universities.

What's interesting is that I, too, know a number of drug users. One, a female, ended up in a strange man's house the morning after a night in a club, the other ended up causing a serious car accident in which the passenger died and the man driving the car he crashed into lost his arm.

But hey, let's be light on drug use - some drug users study at prestigious universities, afterall!

There is a difference between experimenting with substances and abusing them. Just because some weak-minded individuals decide to fuck their lives up does not mean you can generalise millions of other drug users.

Not just there lives. What about their families? What about the man and passenger I described earlier in my post?

Your post makes the assumption that drug use impacts one person: the user. Which is false, and there are innumerable instances, such as the ones I described above, to substantiate this.

So long as recreational drug users are not harming anyone else, and are on their own property, who's right is it to decide what the fuck they can and can't ingest into their bodies?

See above.

Certainly our ancestors did not look down on people who experimented with shamanic drugs like Fly Agaric, so why should we?

Nor did some of our ancestors have problems with human sacrifice and cannibalism - by your logic, those things are hunky-dory in modern society as well, no?

Should we make dreaming illegal too since our brains secrete DMT at night?

Too ridiculous to even address.

It's a fundamental and spiritual right of ours to be able to expand our consciousness through chemical means.

Certainly. But if you're attempting to imply that this can only be pursued through the use of drugs, then this, too, is too ridiculous to address.

You have to realise that as long as drugs are kept illegal there will always be a black market and hence demand for them.

Making cigarettes an easily-attainable good hardly halted the spread of their use.

And to suggest that the best way to solve drug abuse is through making drugs perfectly legal is simply the wrong way to go about bettering the situation. Don't get me wrong - it's not as if I have a better plan. But I find it very hard to believe that this 'solution' will do anything but make the hole deeper.

Part of the attraction to youngsters is that they're illegal - kind of like sampling the forbidden fruit, if you will. Politicians know that there is very little they can do to fight drugs, but of course they like to pretend they are fighting a 'war on drugs' to garner more public suppport come election time. Ask any narcotics officer somewhere like LA how futile the DEA's attempts to stop drugs smuggling are. They might make a seize of marijuana here and there, but the VAST majority of drugs (something like 95% plus) are still making it through to America.

For the most part, I agree.

And I'd like to know if the people condemning drug use smoke or drink, or condone their uses. Because if they do then they are hypocrites. Both of these are infinitely more damaging to society than even hard drugs.

Personally, I couldn't care less about cigarettes as long as they are not smoked in public areas or around people who either don't want to take on the problems created by second-hand smoke or are unable to make such a decision for themselves (i.e. children).

But this comparison between smoking cigarettes and the use of drugs, which, for example, can impair judgement, is not a just comparison. A person who just smoked a pack of cigarettes is not thereby liable to cause an accident when they get behind the wheel of a car, which cannot be said for a person who just smoked marijuana. Perhaps this is a problem that much of Europe does not encounter, but as Susi said, in North America, this is a massive, massive problem.

In regards to drinking, I have never understood drinking to get drunk. On occasion I will have a glass of red wine or green wine with dinner as a means to complement the taste of my meal. I have never drank wine even remotely to the point where my judgement has been impaired, so the issue of potentially causing harm to others is something I've never encountered. I suppose that makes me a hypocrite.

I am concerned that this post may come off as hostile - it's not. I only seek to have an amicable discussion with you and not cause any trouble.

[Strengthandhonour]

I work in the medical field with the business of my family.
We know several well respected doctors in Europe and the Americas.
I can tell you that in most major cities, you should see the ER on weekends. It's not government propaganda, this hospitals are filled with young boys and girls who overdose on god knows what.
The problem with drugs is that even the first time you can lose it. I went to school with an Irish girl who overdosed on ectasy and some other pills and it was her first time and she turned into a vegetable. One of the prettiest girls in the school too. Drugs are pretty much unpredictable. I watch a lot of law tv shows. I am often very curious about the drug ones. One time, a girl, her first time trying drugs ran over someone with her friend. now she is in jail.
When I lived in Costa Rica, a Canadian man was telling my father and I some stories at a beach resort. He was the co-owner. Near the area there was a heavy African influence. European girls came and guess how the blacks got them to sleep with them? ding ding..drugs
I don't care if people want to contaminate themselves with plutonium like savage says. But it gets to a point were this freedom puts the lives of others in danger. Because of this, I have a problem with drugs. I cheerish my friends and family and the last thing I want to see is them getting hurt because some people are using their "freedom" to enjoy themselves.