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A gynaecologist whose techniques were criticised by several women can keep his place on the medical register, a tribunal has ruled.
Dr Andrew Gbinigie was found guilty of serious professional misconduct by the General Medical Council (GMC) in 2003.
He had botched an abortion, pulling out a woman's ovary and part of her bowel.[...]
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When you're routinely murdering children, who cares about an occasional missing ovary or ruptured bowel.
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It highlights the risks of having an abortion.
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OK, an ovary at least is part of the reproductive system. A piece of the bowel is another matter. The article said he was trained in Nigeria. Who the hell would go to a doctor trained in Nigeria? If he is being allowed to continue practice of medicine, a relocation to Israel seems appropriate.
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It highlights the risks of having an abortion.
I feel terribly sorry for these women, and their lost children. They had their entire lives ahead of them.
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1/ He's "allowed to work" ...

... as abortion doctor.

I didn't know a doctor had a licence to kill; in my "narrow" mind, a doctor saves lives, not the other way around. I'm now aware that commiting abortion (a murder) is a work as any other.

2/ Andrew Gbinigie



Just look at him. WTF this guy is doing here, in Europe? He should not even be present on this territory and shouldn't be given the right to "practise" (i.e. to kill european babies). He's a bloody incompetent doctor : he only kills babies and butchers women.

To conclude. Prevent him from practicing may be "discriminatory" (can show his race card); not to mention he's "only" working as anyone else. So, do not be bothered people, the guy's clean.

PS:The last part is supposed to be sarcastic.

PPS: Stay away from Nigerian Doctors, those sexual predators are as skilled in Medecine as I'm.
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I didn't know a doctor had a licence to kill; in my "narrow" mind, a doctor saves lives, not the other way around. I'm now aware that commiting abortion (a murder) is a work as any other.
Unless I'm mistaken, doctors used to take the Hippocratic Oath which explicitly stated that the oath-taking doctor would neither help someone end their life nor would they help anyone procure an abortion.

Perhaps they have dropped the requirement now.
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About this good Doc Andrew Gbinigie's performance.

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Gynaecologist faces inquiry after woman nearly dies after abortion

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A consultant obstetrician and gynaecologist was last week accused at a General Medical Council hearing of a "unique" catalogue of errors that nearly killed a young woman having an abortion.

On 6 November 2000 Dr Andrew Gbinigie did a dilatation and evacuation on a 21 year old woman, referred to in the case as Miss A. It was his first day in a new job at the Calthorpe Clinic in Birmingham. He is accused of perforating Ms A's bowel and removing her right ovary, fallopian tube, and ureter. The patient was rushed to Birmingham Women's Hospital, where it took three consultants five hours to save her life. She eventually recovered, but her right kidney also had to be removed.

Staff from the Calthorpe Clinic told the GMC's professional conduct committee of their growing disquiet as they watched Dr Gbinigie perform three abortions on his first morning of work. Dr Thomas Strain, the anaesthetist, said he thought Dr Gbinigie was inserting the forceps too deeply. "It seemed to me that he could have well perforated the uterus," he said. "I remember thinking, `he is the consultant gynaecologist, I am not, he must know what he is doing.' "

The theatre sister, whose name was withheld, became concerned about Dr Gbinigie's capabilities after he left parts of fetuses in all three women, said Vivian Robinson QC, representing the GMC.

His first case after lunch was Miss A, who carried a 20 week old fetus. After removing various pieces of tissue that the sister did not recognise, said Mr Robinson, "he then pulled down what appeared to the sister to be some bowel. She was shocked and asked if it was the bowel and he said he was not sure." At that point he called for an ambulance and arranged Miss A's transfer to hospital.

Dr Susan Blunt, one of the three consultants who operated on Miss A at Birmingham Women's Hospital, said her internal organs were "just a mess." "A rush of blood carrying the partially dismembered fetus just went everywhere, all over the place," she said. "The fetus was largely intact, apart from one arm and one leg." Miss A, added Dr Blunt, "was extremely lucky not to have died."


The case is expected to finish next week.
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It makes you thankful that we now have safe legal abortions instead of back-street ones using rusty coat-hangers.........
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Unless I'm mistaken, doctors used to take the Hippocratic Oath which explicitly stated that the oath-taking doctor would neither help someone end their life nor would they help anyone procure an abortion.

Perhaps they have dropped the requirement now.
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I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and in like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion.
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Perhaps the Hippocratic oath has no value in Nigeria. It seems it's no more in Europe anyway.

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I just noticed he is also alleged to have sexually harrassed two nurses.
Well, not suprising in as much that abortion is abuse of women anyway. There's definitely a connection. When a woman is reduced to an animal whose offspring can be slaughtered unthinkingly then she really has no value in the eyes of such men, and thus is a fair target to be used as a sexual object.



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Perhaps the Hippocratic oath has no value in Nigeria.
I'm not sure about Nigeria, but it definitely has no value in any country which allows legal abortions.
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I just noticed he is also alleged to have sexually harrassed two nurses.
Well, not suprising in as much that abortion is abuse of women anyway. There's definitely a connection. When a woman is reduced to an animal whose offspring can be slaughtered unthinkingly then she really has no value in the eyes of such men, and thus is a fair target to be used as a sexual object.
I remember seing a fiction about that once. Finally, it's not so hard to imagine. From fiction to reality, there's often one step (or something along in English).

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I'm not sure about Nigeria, but it definitely has no value in any country which allows legal abortions.
You're definitely right. It's no value in such countries.
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I don't know what kind of training doctors receive there in Nigeria and the fact that he's aborting European babies angers me, but I don't think this butchering is exclusive to such countries. There were cases in the States or Europe where parts of the fetuses were found still inside the women, or even cases where the women had twins and they had removed just one of the fetuses. The other grew inside and the woman found herself giving birth. As I said, to me this just highlights the risk of having an abortion. It's not the coat hangers that kill or damage women's health for the rest of their lives. Abortion simply messes with a woman's reproductive system.
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It makes you thankful that we now have safe legal abortions instead of back-street ones using rusty coat-hangers.........
Along with crack addiction, AIDS and gun-crime, abortion on demand is doing wonders in bringing the US crime figures down. Up with Eugenics!
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It's not eugenics we need, it's for people to pick up their morals where they left them.
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