Contrasted Views on Saddam's Execution, Iraq Invasion and Islam

[Pagandawn]

I think this is disgusting. Do you remember the pics of Saddams sons? Carved up on a table?

We need a Jihad revenge team. Against the Joos and their stooges the Americans.

What do you say. Euros and Arabs against da joos?

[Menydh]

I respect Saddam because he was a nationalist. Not a jihadist and definitely not an Islamicist.

I sympathise with their fight against Americans and Israelis, yes. However, I must not forget that their Muslim brethren are invading our lands.

On another post you don't see this as a big problem. You have lost all perspective there. Their numbers in Europe grow while ours decrease. We don't even need new Muslim immigrants, those who already live in Europe will have enough children to outnumber us, and to breed us out of existance.


"We will conquer the West with the wombs of our women"
-Abdelaziz Bouteflika, President of Algeria-


"The minarettes are our bayonets, the domes are our helmets and the mosques are our barracks"
-Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Prime Minister of Turkey-

"Al-Qaeda will free all that was once Islamic land, from al-Andalus to Iraq"
-Ayman al-Zawahiri, chief deputy of al-Qaeda-

On their website, Hamas demands to their children the conquest of Seville and al-Andalus through a tale:
"I beg you, my loved ones, to call me to return along with the other cities of the lost paradise to Muslim hands so that happiness may reign in my lands. Dress me, for I am the bride of the land of Al Andalus."

[Carnyx]

"We will crush your heads."

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Carnyx

"We will crush your heads."

I don't understand why you are celebrating his execution. This is just one more sad chapter in the American/Israeli attack on the Muslim world and the Globalist attack on national sovereignty. Iraq is being raped by the current "world order", which is nothing to cheer about.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by A Fist Full of Snow

I don't understand why you are celebrating his execution. This is just one more sad chapter in the American/Israeli attack on the Muslim world and the Globalist attack on national sovereignty. Iraq is being raped by the current "world order", which is nothing to cheer about.

Who said I was celebrating?... I agree with you.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Carnyx

Who said I was celebrating?... I agree with you.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

It is worth noting he was executed on the eve of a major Muslim festival which has angered and saddened many people. Imagine how we would feel if a national leader was executed by Muslims on Christmas Eve or Good Friday. The Americans seem to want the Arab world to rise up against them.

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I respect Saddam because he was a nationalist.

He was no nationalist by any means. He was a tribalist leader, ensured the continued rule of the Sunni Arabs over Sunni Kurds and Shiah Arabs.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Not a jihadist and definitely not an Islamicist.

Atheists rarly show any tendencies of religious fanatism.
He played the Islamic card in his deck though.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I sympathise with their fight against Americans and Israelis, yes.

First and formost he fought against his own people.
Do you also sympathize with Kim Yong-il and Robert Mugabe?

Originally Posted by Mynydd

However, I must not forget that their Muslim brethren are invading our lands.

They are invading any land.
At least they fight against Israel and America [and us] on our soil then, is't it so?

[Strengthandhonour]

I don't think Saddam was as bad as he made to be, but I don't think he was by any means a good leader. I also don't agree with this muslim-Euro coalation stupidity. If it was for the muslims, they would all be here enslaving us(and by looking at history, one can see it has happened beore..extreme betrayal). If I am not mistaken, one of the people that the nutzis greatly admired is the president of Iran. It's not a coincidence that the other day I saw him speaking of how he knows that one day all the cities in the world will bow down to Islam and accept it.
Wonderful allies huh

[Errigal]

My attitude to the Muslim world is "good fences make good neighbours". They should stay out of our land and we should stay out of theirs unless invited as guests.

We can see from the example of France and its North African migrants what fighting a bloody war in the Muslim world brings.

[Menydh]

What are you guys talking about Muslims and other nonesense?

Not a nationalist? Saddam Hussein? I hate using some sources but..
Ba\'ath Party

Those Arab Shi'ites he fought are the Islamicists who today were rejoycing at his death in the streets of Iraq's cities. Should I mention the long conflict with Islamic Fundamentalist Iran? Those too have rejoyced with the ousting of Saddam from power, as their Shi'ite brothers are taking power over Iraq.

What do you think that al-Qaeda or other Islamists would have done with Saddam had they made him prisoner? Exactly what they have done today with him!

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

They are invading any land.
At least they fight against Israel and America [and us] on our soil then, is't it so?

What does a secular (non-religious) leader in the Middle East have to do with Muslims in Europe?

You are being fooled.

[wilpuri]

I couldn't care less about Saddam's person. Its the whole spectacle that I find saddening.

[Menydh]

Baath Party

BBC NEWS | Middle East | The Iraqi Baath party

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

What does a secular (non-religious) leader in the Middle East have to do with Muslims in Europe?

You are being fooled.

That's right. It is part of the propaganda campaign which says western nations must fight the "islamofascists" in the Middle East so that we don't have to fight them in Europe and North America. It is a way to turn anti-immigrant feelings in Europe and Australia into pro-American and pro-Israeli actions.

I myself do not care how Arab nations govern themselves but do admire how Saddam stood up for his nation in the past and how Ahmadinijad does currently. I just hope he does not meet the same fate.

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

What are you guys talking about Muslims and other nonesense?

Not a nationalist? Saddam Hussein? I hate using some sources but..
Ba\'ath Party

Do not hesitate to use sources. He pretended to be a nationalist, but nevertheless he was none. He even thought he was a new Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon - was he? No - so what?
He was just another retarded 3rd world dictator, even battling his "Baathist brothers" in Syria...

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Those Arab Shi'ites he fought are the Islamicists who today were rejoycing at his death in the streets of Iraq's cities.

Shi'ites have been suppressed by the Sunni minority for hundreds of years - no wonder they became this radical.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Should I mention the long conflict with Islamic Fundamentalist Iran? Those too have rejoyced with the ousting of Saddam from power, as their Shi'ite brothers are taking power over Iraq.

Well, since Arab nationalism is dead, and all Western variants of governing have failed, they start to establish what they believe is the only right thing to them: a so-called fundamentalistic theocracy. What do you think will be established in Syria, Egypt, Saudi-Arabia etc. should these dictatorships fall one day?

Originally Posted by Mynydd

What do you think that al-Qaeda or other Islamists would have done with Saddam had they made him prisoner? Exactly what they have done today with him!

Osama Bin-Laden offered the Americans a volunteer unit to kill Saddam Hussein. Later Saddam allied with so-called fundamentalists since they had common enemies: The West, especially USA and Israel. Arabs no longer believe in a secular pan-Arab movement, they believe in an Islamic form of governing.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

What does a secular (non-religious) leader in the Middle East have to do with Muslims in Europe?

You are being fooled.

He pretended to be Sunni Muslim, he even took part in the pilgrimage to Mecca and even prayed at Shi'ite shrines. You have to update your information and ideologie - the secular Baath is gone - have a look at Syria.

To me being fooled: I even would sentence my brother to death if he had committed a crime like murder or rape; hanging Saddamm Hussein was a fair thing - no matter what he believed in or what he pretended to be.

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by A Fist Full of Snow

That's right. It is part of the propaganda campaign which says western nations must fight the "islamofascists" in the Middle East so that we don't have to fight them in Europe and North America.

There is no campaign to fight islamofascism. The only ones spreading around this idea are the Neocons - and these are more than inpopular and at least in Europe without influence.
In fact no fight at all is propagated, but the "dialogue of cultures" which does not mean anything else but subjugation.

Originally Posted by A Fist Full of Snow

It is a way to turn anti-immigrant feelings in Europe and Australia into pro-American and pro-Israeli actions.

Israel is very inpopular - it would be a benefit if any anti-immigrant feeling were this strong here.

Originally Posted by A Fist Full of Snow

I myself do not care how Arab nations govern themselves but do admire how Saddam stood up for his nation in the past and how Ahmadinijad does currently. I just hope he does not meet the same fate.

So you admire murderers and rapists? Saddam Hussein did not stand up for his nation - he pretended to do so. What he did was he exploited the land to the benefit of his very own person and his clan.
Ahmadinejad is not too popular in Iran - but the foolish US policy makes him popular.