Contrasted Views on Saddam's Execution, Iraq Invasion and Islam

[Strengthandhonour]

So let's get it straight, since the death penalty is to American then criminals should be trialed by the European court? please..

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Why? He is not European. Do you support colonialism by chance?

He is Arab, and since European courts in general are anything but keen with sentencing Arab murderes and rapists to any hard prison sentence, he would have it very good here.
All liberals here are whining about this "barbaric" act...

Well according to the UN convention, Articel ,which i do not remember, death penalty is agianst the human right convention, since the American did not find any biological weapon why should he judged in the American Court ? no doubt he might be the second reincarnation of Hitler howerver he diserve a fair hearing. Pleasee give Saddam the credict being a Arab, he was rather brave.

Jacque

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

He is Arab, and since European courts in general are anything but keen with sentencing Arab murderes and rapists to any hard prison sentence, he would have it very good here.
All liberals here are whining about this "barbaric" act...

Precisely because he is an Arab and whatever happened, it happened in the Middle East, European courts should have no business there.

And, by the way, I don't think that I am a Liberal.

Originally Posted by jacque

Well according to the UN convention

"Con la Iglesia hemos topado, amigo Sancho."
(We have run into the Church, my friend Sancho)
Don Quixote

[Errigal]

Here's an interesting quote from President John F. Kennedy's book Profiles in Courage. In Chapter 9, Kennedy salutes the courage of the American Senator William Taft, who spoke in October 1946 against the planned execution of eleven senior Nazis recently convicted at the Nuremberg Trials. This seems to be very similar to the debate on Saddam's execution by President George "Pontius Pilatus" Bush.

On October 6, 1946, Senator Taft appeared before a conference on our Anglo-American heritage, sponsored by Kenyon College in Ohio. The war crimes trial was not an issue upon which conference speakers were expected to comment. But titling his address "Equal justice Under Law," Taft cast aside his general reluctance to embark upon startlingly novel and dramatic approaches. "The trial of the vanquished by the victors," he told an attentive if somewhat astonished audience, "cannot be impartial no matter how it is hedged about with the forms of justice."

I question whether the hanging of those, who, however despicable, were the leaders of the German people, will ever discourage the making of aggressive war, for no one makes aggressive war unless he expects to win. About this whole judgment there is the spirit of vengeance, and vengeance is seldom justice. The hanging of the eleven men convicted will be a blot on the American record which we shall long regret.

In these trials we have accepted the Russian idea of the purpose of trials---government policy and not justice-with little relation to Anglo-Saxon heritage. By clothing policy in the forms of legal procedure, we may discredit the whole idea of justice in Europe for years to come. In the last analysis, even at the end of a frightful war, we should view the future with mom hope if even our enemies believed that we had treated them justly in our English-speaking concept of law, in the provision of relief and in the final disposal of territory.

In ten days the Nazi leaders were to be hanged. But Bob Taft, speaking in cold, clipped matter-of-fact tones, deplored that sentence, and suggested that involuntary exile-similar to that imposed upon Napoleon -might be wiser. But even more deplorable, he said were the trials themselves, which "violate the fundamental principle of American law that a man cannot be tried under an ex post facto statute." Nuremberg, the Ohio Senator insisted, was a blot on American Constitutional history, and a serious departure from our Anglo-Saxon heritage of fair and equal treatment, a heritage which had rightly made this country respected throughout the world. "We can't even teach our own people the sound principles of liberty and justice," he concluded. "We cannot teach them government in Germany by suppressing liberty and justice. As I see it, the English-speaking peoples have one great responsibility. That is to restore to the minds of men a devotion to equal justice under law."

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Precisely because he is an Arab and whatever happened, it happened in the Middle East, European courts should have no business there.

I am aware European courts have no business here, especially the "Court for Human Rights" is a hoax anyway...here is the definition of Ethnic cleansing, were are the prosecutors bringing "our" politicans to court?

Ethnic cleansing is a well-defined policy of a particular group of persons to systematically eliminate another group from a given territory on the basis of religious, ethnic or national origin. Such a policy involves violence and is very often connected with military operations. It is to be achieved by all possible means, from discrimination to extermination, and entails violations of human rights and international humanitarian law."

Originally Posted by Mynydd

And, by the way, I don't think that I am a Liberal.

Without doubts you are more liberal then me; I would not count you as liberal though, national-liberal perhaps. Especially in this case I am astonished how the rightful execution of a crimnal causes this much moaning an groaning.
In fact I would like to see this event as exemplary what has to be done with these criminals now in rule here.

[Marulus]

Saddam's execution is meant to serve as a warning to the whole world. What they are telling is: "Whoever does not unconditionally submit to our power, will end up like this."

[Der]

This is obviously a controversial subject, Saddam did commit crimes but we have to point out that many others have done as bad or worse than him and still have avoided trial.

Any how whether one considers that he should have been hanged or not, he must be respected after death for he was amongst other things a nationalist.

I just find this exibition discusting: A work titled Shark of David Cerrny was exhibited last year in Middelkerke (Belgium). In it appears a figure that represents a submerged Saddam Hussein, as if it he was a shark, in a fishbowl wih his hands and feet tied, and with a cord to the neck.

[Errigal]

That exhibit reminds me of the kind they have in dictatorships to re-educate the public. It is propaganda to teach people to be cold-hearted and full of hate towards all "enemies of freedom".