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29 | 55.77% |
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23 | 44.23% |
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Monday, December 25th, 2006
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Re: Europe or Euro-Siberia?
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Wednesday, December 27th, 2006
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yes and they as usual very proud to be a Siberians, even if both their parents came there from Moscow region during Soviet industrialisation of that places. Siberians usual assosiated with strong people who grown in bleak climate but allways responsive to guests (even if they have some old believers in ancestors)
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Wednesday, December 27th, 2006
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Asians no longer arrive in Europe on horseback via the Steppes. They jump on a plane, often getting no closer to Russia than 35,000 feet above it. There's no shortage of Asians here, Siberia or not.
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The traditions of the Irish people are the oldest of any race in Europe north and west of the Alps, and they themselves are the longest settled on their own soil - Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922) The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth. For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish. - Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596). The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation. - Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation. - Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences
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Wednesday, December 27th, 2006
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Re: Europe or Euro-Siberia?
Just as relevant for various reasons.
For one, the more the areas of dominance shrink, the less buffer areas to separate us all from Asians or others that we have. If you believe that Muslims would have stopped at the Pyrenees had they not met a fight of centuries in Spain, you are much wrong. Another reason perhaps more important is that we should base such thoughts not on self-interest, but on true and disinterested cooperation. I understand that a true Irish nationalist may feel reluctant to the idea of close cooperation and mutual care in Europe. After all, how many European nationalists care enough for Ireland? And I don't mean for the problem of immigration in Ireland, but for the Irish nation being broken and divided by the British.
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'Dardanidae duri, quae uos a stirpe parentum prima tulit tellus, eadem uos ubere laeto
accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem: hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris, et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.'  We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. --Plato--
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Wednesday, December 27th, 2006
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Re: Europe or Euro-Siberia?
It's not to say that I'm indifferent to the plight of others, but rather in this day of modern air travel we find that immigrants teem into the country virtually from their point of origin. Buffer countries are no obstacle apparently.
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The traditions of the Irish people are the oldest of any race in Europe north and west of the Alps, and they themselves are the longest settled on their own soil - Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922) The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth. For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish. - Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596). The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation. - Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation. - Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences
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Thursday, December 28th, 2006
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Re: Europe or Euro-Siberia?
You are surely not unaware that the world of yesterday is not the world of today, and that this is not the world of tomorrow.
What is important is to preserve the past, destroy the present and build the future. Because we are focused in preserving only the past we are losing the battle for the present and will be destroyed in the future. The fight for the Nation is a noble ideal. The fight for Europe is also the fight for the name and it is a noble ideal which demands sacrifice for others. Only through accepting those sacrifices will we be building a bright and better world.
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'Dardanidae duri, quae uos a stirpe parentum prima tulit tellus, eadem uos ubere laeto
accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem: hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris, et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.' We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. --Plato--
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Thursday, December 28th, 2006
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Re: Europe or Euro-Siberia?
I think you are at the receiving end in this debate Mynydd.
You know what to expect if you loose? Lifelong banishment to Siberia that is, you are two votes away. This is very much a practical question and a geopolitical question. A Europe from the Atlantic to the Pacific will be unbeatable. The US version of it would dwarf compared to it. They would not have a chance in the long run. All parameters would be on our side. There are no Asian hordes in the Siberia. I don't think the inhabitants of Siberia want to leave en masse and settle in Valencia.
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Thursday, December 28th, 2006
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Perhaps you mean to say that tomorrow our governments might decide they have fulfilled their quotas and bring mass immigration to a halt? Quote:
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 Of course, I agree.
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The traditions of the Irish people are the oldest of any race in Europe north and west of the Alps, and they themselves are the longest settled on their own soil - Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922) The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth. For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish. - Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596). The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation. - Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation. - Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences
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Thursday, December 28th, 2006
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And what of the peoples in this "Europe" which will now include what was formerly northern Asia? Shall the Mongoloid Asians be accepted or will they have to be... ahem ...."re-located"? Quote:
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I can't even seriously claim that to be the case from Irish sea to North sea here.
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The traditions of the Irish people are the oldest of any race in Europe north and west of the Alps, and they themselves are the longest settled on their own soil - Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922) The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth. For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish. - Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596). The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation. - Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation. - Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences
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Thursday, December 28th, 2006
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I have no ready formula for this Euro-siberia. Siberia will of course like now, be administred by Russia. Russia will be the most important power in this geo-political entity. The power axle would be Moskow-Berlin-Paris. When I say that it will be unbeatable. I'm first of all talking economically, but sure in its extension also militarily. The US would not be able to compete against the resources within Euro-Sibiria. Its main function would be to hold off America. Right now the only superpower, dictating European politics. This would end. Siberia would be exploited only by European corporations. We don't need to conquer anything. We already have the bulk of all the resources. We are sitting on the center of the world. If you are familiar with geo-politics. You know what a strategic advantage it is to control the Euro-asian landmass. I see Euro-Sibiria as a very loose federation, and very anti-american. I've to admit that it is hard to se the Brits as a part of it. We could perhaps transport the little island across the Atlantic and place it outside Long Island making it what it already is America's 51 th state? This is of course only a vision. Highly speculative... Last edited by Pagandawn; Thursday, December 28th, 2006 at 09:12. Reason: typos
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Thursday, August 30th, 2007
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Re: Europe or Euro-Siberia?
Euro-Antarctica *sorry, couldn't help it
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Thursday, August 30th, 2007
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Re: Europe or Euro-Siberia?
To speak about Euro-Sibiria or Euro-Russia, you must also define the southern borders of this entity-to-be. Which I guess would not be very easy neither...
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Thursday, August 30th, 2007
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Thursday, August 30th, 2007
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