Which kind of Nationalism do you favour the most?

Originally Posted by Decimo Paolino

Elitist and Aristocratic Nationalism.

Julius Evola? This an evolian idea of nationalism.

[vascongado]

I have voted for the option of the cultural nationalism. I believe that in case of Las Españas it might be the route for the recovery of our Fatherland.

[Português]

Personally I voted the option "other", since I define myself as Identitarian, that means the nationalism I promote contain in itself all the other type of nationalism stated in the poll.

More, my nationalism is also a european one and by extension a white racialist one, since what really matters is the preservation of our blood.

[Milesian]

Originally Posted by Português

Personally I voted the option "other", since I define myself as Identitarian, that means the nationalism I promote contain in itself all the other type of nationalism stated in the poll.

More, my nationalism is also a european one and by extension a white racialist one, since what really matters is the preservation of our blood.

White blood?

[svin]

Originally Posted by Milesian

White blood?

Mine is red.

[Ederico]

Originally Posted by Português

Personally I voted the option "other", since I define myself as Identitarian, that means the nationalism I promote contain in itself all the other type of nationalism stated in the poll.

More, my nationalism is also a european one and by extension a white racialist one, since what really matters is the preservation of our blood.

Identitarian and white racialist? A European Nationalism? One should rather claim a European Identity, the favoured pet of Eurocrats. I recognise no European identity, I doubt a Maltese, Sicilian, Italian would compare himself to a Swede or a Russian if he dealt in depth with their own identity, culture and traditions.

[NatVox]

Originally Posted by svin

Mine is red.

Português, it is precisely the preservation of the different national identities in Europe what makes Europe worth to fight for. I can understand that your views come from a sincere and noble spirit. Yet a product of confusion.

Europe is special and a noble cause because, among other things, its national diversity. If we move away from the preservation of those individual national identities and into a transnational mass construct, we killed the very soul of Europe by turning it into yet another America-like abhorring construct. From that very moment the cause for Europe is as worthy as the cause for America. That is, not worth at all.

I could give you an actual and factual example which is close to both you and me.

I share views with the Identitarians, but definitely not the cancellation of national identities in favour of mass non-national constructs. Europe is and must be an ideal, but for the preservation of the national identities and sovereignties of the nations and nationalities that conform Europe.

[NatVox]

A note to Pan-Europeanists. The first man in proposing a Pan-European Union was a half Austrian and half Japanese aristocrat, count Coudenhove-Kalergi. That project is today under construction and it is called the European Union.
Among the next steps there will be the entry of Turkey, and probably later Israel, Morocco and others, and the consecution of a United States of Europe. I.e. the death of the real Europe.

[Português]

Well, I see my post make some people react, that is good, since it show up how some poeple are more attached to their small, tiny, ridiculous differeces than to the survival of us all, the Europeans.

White blood? Ahahah what a laugh, especially when it cames from a maltese. I know, you live in a perpetual identity crisis.

Well, getting serious, Mynydd, I know that you are some type of "españolista", that you dont reconize the right of Galiza or Catalonia being independent, since you nationalism is State based nationalism and not in ethnic-cultural roots (the true nationalism).

Anyway, let me say that you should read Alain de Benoist, Faye, Thiriart (Thiriart from a historical perspective), and so many others, and leave the old and smely nationalist theories of the late XIX century.

Europe as a whole will only survive in the future as a confederation, federation or Imperium. otherwise, the small nation-states are nothing more than easy targets of global capitalism and they will perish because such nations have no power to avoid it.

The true nations, those based in blood and culture identity have the right to get rid of those artificial states that soffocate them, but these nations have to establish in their agenda the need for the building of European Bloc.

PS/ As for the maltese friends, You should read what Norman Lowell writes, he is a true maltese and european.

[Milesian]

Speaking for Ireland, the majority of immigrants are Europeans.
It is so-called "White" Europeans taking the jobs, undercutting the native workers, damaging the culture and forcing us into a pluralist, multicultural society.

As for European Unions, or Confederations, or Imperiums....thanks but no thanks. Being sovereign and independent doesn't mean isolationism. Co-operation is still desirable. But not at the price of some monolithic Pan-European state.

I am interested in an apparent contradiction in your views though. Namely this:-

I know that you are some type of "españolista", that you dont reconize the right of Galiza or Catalonia being independent, since you nationalism is State based nationalism and not in ethnic-cultural roots (the true nationalism).

But then from being a champion of small ethnic states, you seem to do a u-turn by attacking the very same idea:-

some poeple are more attached to their small, tiny, ridiculous differeces than to the survival of us all, the Europeans

In any case, if the future Europe is one without a distinct Irish people then why should I care whether it is over-run by non-Europeans?
Multiculturalism is poison, whether it is White Multiculturalism (White Nationalism), European Multiculturalism (Pan-Europeanism) or Worldwide Multiculturalism (Globalism), it matters little

[NatVox]

Originally Posted by Português

Well, I see my post make some people react, that is good, since it show up how some poeple are more attached to their small, tiny, ridiculous differeces

Slander number 1. This is primarily a board for Nationalists who stick to their true national identities (not those who limit them to some historical ups and downs). While you --allegedly an Identitarian (not a Nationalist)-- have been welcomed here, by insulting our national identities calling them "ridiculous" you tell us a lot about your character. I sincerely hope that this was a mistake on your side and that we can discuss further in a civic, rational and well reasoned manner in the future.

than to the survival of us all, the Europeans.

Obviously you have not yet understood anything at all. The day that Europe becomes a pan-construct, the day that the different national identities which make up Europe will die and the day that Europe will cease to exist as a worthy cause.

We stand for the survival and preservation of the rich variety of Europe, as represented by the nations that conform Europe.

White blood? Ahahah what a laugh, especially when it cames from a maltese. I know, you live in a perpetual identity crisis.

Slander number 2. I have seen similar (and worse.. much worse) gratuitous slanders on the Portuguese and on many others, in most other internet forums. In Stirpes, the identities of the peoples of Europe must be respected and not slandered gratuitously as you have just done now. Be them Maltese, Portuguese, or other.

These two slanders have earned you a warning.

Well, getting serious, Mynydd

About time. But I expect little from you at this point. Perhaps in the future.. I haven't lost all hope with you yet.

I know that you are some type of "españolista", that you dont reconize the right of Galiza or Catalonia being independent, since you nationalism is State based nationalism and not in ethnic-cultural roots (the true nationalism).

In other words, you know nothing but you say that you do know a lot.

With respect to Hispania I loathe the meddling of the foreign (and strange to us) centralist construct of the French Jacobinism, which the peoples of Hispania have suffered for centuries. In other words, I am a Foralist.

That means that I am for the defense of the traditions, laws, and identities of all the peoples who belong to the Hispanic Nation. From Perpinyà to Coruña and to Sevilla, and from Lisboa to Valencia and to Mallorca.

Spain, as it is today, is a State. Spain, together with Portugal, Roselló and Iparralde, is a Nation. I am for the latter, the Nation.

Anyway, let me say that you should read Alain de Benoist, Faye, Thiriart (Thiriart from a historical perspective), and so many others, and leave the old and smely nationalist theories of the late XIX century.

Where above do you sense any XIXth century theory? I define Nation from an ethnic absolute point, going to the origins, to the ethymology of the word. Not some kind of statism disguised of romanticism. There exists an ethnogenesis in the Spanish (or Hispanic) Nation.

Europe as a whole will only survive in the future as a confederation, federation or Imperium.

In other words, the path towards mass homogenisation and consequently the loss of the identities. Read Europe = yet another North American mongrel.

otherwise, the small nation-states are nothing more than easy targets of global capitalism and they will perish because such nations have no power to avoid it.

Defending the preservation of our true national identities does not impede the consecution of a strong European bloc for a common defense against external aggresions (be them physical, economical, cultural, spiritual, etc.).

Further, let me tell you that it is your construct about "whiteness" which allows for such dangers to happen. In fact, "white" is an Anglo-American construct by which a people who are foreign in Europe (Americans) get a free ride on Europe. More evidence is the cases of so-called White Nutionalist parties (From "nuts", not from "nation", because "white" is not a nationality) like BNP in England or Vlaams Belang/Blok in the Lowlands who have embraced Jews as acceptable to Europe.. or even Europeans!!!

The true nations, those based in blood and culture identity have the right to get rid of those artificial states that soffocate them

Absolutely. Which is why I demand that the artificial state frontiers which exist in our Nation (Hispania) be removed and allow all the Hispanic peoples to embrace freely to each other, and to defend together each other's Foral (Federal) identities.

but these nations have to establish in their agenda the need for the building of European Bloc.

Where is the disagreement?

PS/ As for the maltese friends, You should read what Norman Lowell writes, he is a true maltese and european.

I'm looking forward to read Ederico's answer to this. Last time I checked, Norman Lowell was far from a Maltese Nationalist and close to Anglo-servant White Nutionalist. Has he repented since?

[NatVox]

Originally Posted by Milesian

Speaking for Ireland, the majority of immigrants are Europeans.
It is so-called "White" Europeans taking the jobs, undercutting the native workers, damaging the culture and forcing us into a pluralist, multicultural society.

Indeed. And I wonder, how is that thinking hostile to me or to other Europeans? In fact, as a Pro-European I hope for the preservation of Ireland's full identity.

As for European Unions, or Confederations, or Imperiums....thanks but no thanks. Being sovereign and independent doesn't mean isolationism. Co-operation is still desirable. But not at the price of some monolithic Pan-European state.

Right there, Gael. Well, almost.. . I wonder why is it so difficult for some to understand that being a True Nationalist does not equal to being a New Age Nutzi isolationist, nor Pan-constructionist..

I'm fed up with being caught in between those two fires.. it would make more sense if they shot each other while we keep moving forward.

Originally Posted by Milesian

I am interested in an apparent contradiction in your views though. Namely this:-

But then from being a champion of small ethnic states, you seem to do a u-turn by attacking the very same idea:-

A contradiction indeed. But not just. I bet that he is also confused in the concepts of ethnos, state and nation. Most probably I'll be able to show you what I mean, when he answers my other post.

In any case, if the future Europe is one without a distinct Irish people then why should I care whether it is over-run by non-Europeans?
Multiculturalism is poison, whether it is White Multiculturalism (White Nationalism), European Multiculturalism (Pan-Europeanism) or Worldwide Multiculturalism (Globalism), it matters little

I couldn't have expressed it better, Gael.

[Faísca]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

A note to Pan-Europeanists. The first man in proposing a Pan-European Union was a half Austrian and half Japanese aristocrat, count Coudenhove-Kalergi. That project is today under construction and it is called the European Union.

I always thought Churchill's idea of the United States of Europe was what led to the formation of the European Union... Well, by that very same name one can see it is not a good thing...

[Faísca]

I'll not adress the rest of your post as others have done and said pretty much what I would.

Still...

Originally Posted by Português

PS/ As for the maltese friends, You should read what Norman Lowell writes, he is a true maltese and european.

You are mocking us all, right?

Just too see how the logics of such a bright man goes...

Originally Posted by Norman Lowell @ VivaMalta

A friend of mine has become enamoured with Japan.
He visits the country as often as possible.
No crime - except by Blacks (from the US).

He left his digital camera on a table at a disco.
Thousands of people: drinking and dancing.
Came back 4 hours later: camera was still there!

Wh