Which kind of Nationalism do you favour the most?

[Perun]

Originally Posted by Arawn

And the modern Nation-State was born with the treaty of Westphalia, not the French Revolution.

True, as I explained above the notion of a nation-state(or something closely resembling it) can be found in ancient history. China also had a similar concept in its idyll of the Confucian polity. The modern version is a result of Westphalia.

Though i think he's coming from a Russian-Commie centric East/West dichotomy, where 'west' = Capitalism.

True. There is certainly a difference between the 'West' of the Medieval, Renaisance, and Baroque periods and the 'West' which is largely a result of the Enlightenment. To use Spenglerian terms, he seems to oppose more Western 'civilization', but it must not be confused with Western 'culture'.

[Figlio della Lupa]

Il nazionalismo romantico.

[Awar]

Originally Posted by Perun

Yes, jolly good ol' chap! Lets have some fun and go on a nice old fashion smashing.

I say, what an unusual fellow that one. He shone brightly as a shooting star.

[Sciath]

Cultural and Romantic in so far as a nation without its memory and own values is dead ! Frontiers and states are valueless. French Canadians have been surviving in Anglo Saxon America for several centuries without a state and a governement ...but with their language, religious and cultural values

[Timo]

Originally Posted by Suoma-Tribal Hun

Ethnic Nationalism

Agreed! I say the blood is thicker than water. Our folk is what counts and we should base our nationalism around our own people.

[Faelcind Il Danach]

I am not a nationalist of any kind. I beleive in the principle that america was founded on that all men(women too) are created equall, and I beleive it applies equally to all people no matter what their nationality. I favor multiculturalism though I think that maintaining an equitable distrubution of resources around the world would prevent most immigration and the problems it causes.

[Gil]

Originally Posted by Awar

I say, what an unusual fellow that one. He shone brightly as a shooting star.

Hey old boys, perhaps we should shoot the bastard and leave him to rot , I say!


Back to topic, I voted civic nationalism but my ideal is more of a mix of civic and ethnic nationalism.

Cheers

[Timo]

Originally Posted by Faelcind Il Danach

I am not a nationalist of any kind. I beleive in the principle that america was founded on that all men(women too) are created equall, and I beleive it applies equally to all people no matter what their nationality. I favor multiculturalism though I think that maintaining an equitable distrubution of resources around the world would prevent most immigration and the problems it causes.

America was founded on a form of Nationalism, that is, a common unity of states that share a common cultural, and country. This Nationalism can easily be seen in the war of 1812, but changes after to a different form after the Civil War, and changes agian in the early 1900s. You are wrong however, nowhere within the American law or constitution does it state that all men and women are equal regardless of nationality. The Bill of Rights of the USA only applies to American citizens. You are confusing the Declaration of Independence with that of actual US law. The Dec. of Ind. has not legal baring and was only protest agianst the king of England, stating their reason for rebellion. It is nothing more than a relic of the American Revolution and a pretty museum piece.

Why do you favour multiculturalism?
Why do you think that equal reasources would prevent immigration? What types of resources? You do know that current areas that are getting massive immigrants are the areas without very many resources, and the third world countries are the ones with mega-natural resources. The third world countries are the countries with massive emigrants. You did know that, right? How then does your opinion, that equal distribution of reasources would prevent immigration, hold water?

Please only take these questions as a sencere attempt to understand your opinion/reasoning, and not a argument or melicious debate attempt.

[Aeternitas]

Originally Posted by Faelcind Il Danach

I am not a nationalist of any kind. I beleive in the principle that america was founded on that all men(women too) are created equall, and I beleive it applies equally to all people no matter what their nationality. I favor multiculturalism though I think that maintaining an equitable distrubution of resources around the world would prevent most immigration and the problems it causes.

I don't think you belong here.

1 (a). This is a board for European Nationalists. Views, ideas, and contributions that are opposed to European Nationalism, ethnic, as well as cultural preservation or critical thereof, are not permitted anywhere but in the Camara Obscura forum.

[Milesian]

Ethnic Nationalism for me, although I wasn't 100% clear on what Romantic Nationalism actually represented.

I'm certainly not opposed to romance, that's for sure

[Constantinus]

Ethnic and romantic nationalism for me, which should lead to the creation of an exclusive state where state nationalism is the policy.

[Frankiz]

Originally Posted by Sciath

Cultural and Romantic in so far as a nation without its memory and own values is dead ! Frontiers and states are valueless. French Canadians have been surviving in Anglo Saxon America for several centuries without a state and a governement ...but with their language, religious and cultural values

I completly agree with that. A nation can exist without a State or even institutional structures of its own (Brittany for the last 2 centuries), a State can exist without a nation corresponding to the borderlines : the USA, France, former Yugoslavia, the Karl der Große Empire (but it was long ago and the context was different I must say), the Napoleone Buonaparte one... They all include several nations and/or ethnies or parts of nations or ethnies. Of course the ideal situation is when a state corresponds to a nation, like in Danemark.

I voted for ethnic nationalism. I see that a majority of people voted for it too. Well, in my opinion ethnnic, cultural and romantic nationalisms are the only real nationalisms. I mean, religion, state and race don't constitute nations. Nations are made by a cultural identity, a common History, most of the time a territory, and the conscious to be a distinct group. If you have this 4 elements, you have a nation. If you defend these 4 elements you're a nationalist. If you forbid your neighbour's History to be taught, you try to eradicate his culture and language, you invade his territory and try to manipulate people's mind and beliefs, you're an imperialist and an enemy of the nationalists. State nationalism is not a nationalism, its simply statism and it's an imperialism. A true nationalist is against all imperialisms, may they be American, French, German, English, Chinese, Islamic. A true European nationalist wants the Europe of the 100 flags (concept invented by Yann Fouéré in a famous book).

[Carnyx]

Romantic nationalism

[Prinz Eugen]

Romantic nationalism!

[Vertecomoro]

Ethnic Nationalism OFF COURSE!

THERE IS A FORUM!!!!
http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/...php?forumid=56

[RuneDK]

Ethnic nationalism

[Awar]

I'd say my views are about 70% civic, and 30% Ethnic nationalism. If I had to choose, I'd pick civic, because it's more probable to last, while ethnic nationalism would IMO surely degenerate into state/banal nationalism after a while.

[Defensor Fidei]

Ethnic Nationalism