America and Europeans

[Laocoon]

Please, share your thoughts about America/Europe and Americans/Europeans from a Nationalist and European/American point of view.

Keep the discussion civil.

[Ildjarn]

Well... American-europeans has a tricky future as I see it, becomes how many has actually only one european identity? I don't know, but I guess they are few, and that makes pan-europeanism and other such movements attractive in USA, without recognising the danger with intermixing diffrerent ethniticies... That's why it is so important to tackle this question"!

One idea is that german/irish for example should build their own local community, which will in time evolve to a tribe of its own, with own traditions that bear marks from their multi-european background but also in time develop a unique culture and worldview, same goes for polish/austrian etc.

Any other suggestions?

[Menydh]

There must be something wrong with the New Posts system because I missed this one.

Ildjarn, the "german/irish" and "polish/austrian" communities that you are mentioning are, of course, in America. Is that right? ..because I don't think that Nationalists from Austria would like to be set away from Germany. After all, they are Germans.

But to the point, you are right in that "Pan-Europeanism" is attractive to Americans. Only that in America they call it "White Nationalism".

The problem of Pan-Europeanism in Europe is that it is a surrender in itself. It bears a great risk of making us lose our national identities, and we must not forget that Europe is special not for one identity, but for all the special and unique identities which conform her.

I am all for Traditional Nationalism. Or call it Ethnic Nationalism, or True Nationalism. Or, simply, Nationalism.

Preservation must be pursued in all directions. The day that we have to resort to Pan-Europeanism, that day we will already be lost beyond hope.

Having said this, we must also bear in mind that the world is moving towards geo-political blocks. It is important to plan for the future not just in terms of preservation of our ethnic groups, our values, culture and spirituality, and our national sovereignties, but also to plan ahead and forward to preserve (i.e. defend) in turn that will and system of preservation.

[Menydh]

Following in the lines described above for Europe, I believe that the relation of Europe with America must be, in general terms, similar or like the relations with other countries/blocks in the world.

It might be the case that there is a Black president in Washington. Not something unthinkable of when today the Secretary of State, Congoleezza Rice, is a Black woman. So what? If you can have diplomatic and commercial relations with Nigeria, Mozambique or Zimbabwe, why not with the U.S. of America?

That on the grand picture of a hopeful future. On the smaller and more immediate picture, Nationalism in Europe must not go hand in hand with Racialism in America. Their particular status quo and their objectives are different to ours, and so are their lines of action. If they fail (and they will) we must not follow them into suicide. We owe them nothing but this miserable world of today.

[Perun]

Basically the main issue at hand is a greater learning and understanding of each other from both sides of the Atlantic.

[Ildjarn]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Ildjarn, the "german/irish" and "polish/austrian" communities that you are mentioning are, of course, in America. Is that right? ..because I don't think that Nationalists from Austria would like to be set away from Germany. After all, they are Germans.

Yes, of course!

Well, pan-europanism would still be a tempting solution for the european nationalists of America, but I see what you mean. Either way it is hostile to the maintenance of the europid diversity and must be worked against, just as immigration must be worked against by the same reason.

[Phlegethon]

The U.S.A. are big enough to constitute dozens of separate nation states, should there be a volonté generale to create those. The only problem would be that almost all U.S. citizens are ethnic hybrids, meaning that they'd have to get off the fence, pick one ethnicity and stick to it. European nationalists only have one national identity and they're fine with that. Yankees should be fine with only one as well.

[Siegmund]

Originally Posted by Phlegethon

The only problem would be that almost all U.S. citizens are ethnic hybrids, meaning that they'd have to get off the fence, pick one ethnicity and stick to it. European nationalists only have one national identity and they're fine with that. Yankees should be fine with only one as well.

Unfortunately, most Americans are so mixed that such a choice would be entirely arbitrary for many of them. Because they lack even the most rudimentary cultural or ethnic nationalist consciousness, they tend to self-identify based on racialist or fetishist criteria... hence the pandemic of "born again" nutzis and wutzis bearing all the trappings of cultists and other occultniks.

[Menydh]

It shows when one reads profiles on the forums like those of Slavo-Germanic, Germano-Celtic, Germanic/Romance/Celtic, ... it's like a joke -what you wanna be today?- Sometimes I think that there is a pissing contest among Americans to see who profiles himself with more nonesense.

And let us just imagine for a moment that one of them sticks to just one ethnic group in his profile. What is the reality of his attachment to the alleged group? They are the few and between the cases where the mentality of the individual coincides with the mentality of the given group, and not with the mentality of America.

I remember one such American on the forum Irish-Nationalism who was literally demanding that him and other Americans were allowed in Ireland, while at the same time claiming that others [namely Spaniards] had no relation with Ireland whatsoever.

The funniest part of it is that the said individual was allegedly of mostly Polish with some Germanic descend. Or along the lines of one of those pick & mix colourful heritages.. Milesian probably remembers it better.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Siegmund

Unfortunately, most Americans are so mixed that such a choice would be entirely arbitrary for many of them. Because they lack even the most rudimentary cultural or ethnic nationalist consciousness, they tend to self-identify based on racialist or fetishist criteria... hence the pandemic of "born again" nutzis and wutzis bearing all the trappings of cultists and other occultniks.

Cultists is a good definition for most, in more than one sense.

I wonder how many of them realize that any given nation in Europe is not that nation 1,000, 700, 500, or 300 years ago. Moreoever, that idealising a nation in those terms is ignoring the current character and identity of the people today, and therefore ignoring the reality with the consequences that bear the ignorance of reality especially in days as extremely critiques as the ones which we are living.

There is enough blindness already.


P.S. One quick thought here is that we do not need the past heroes, we need modern heroes and these cannot be like the heroes of the past because the current circumstances are not the circumstances of the past. Those who sit hoping for an epic and glorious Reconquista a la Middle Age are fooling themselves, fooling others, and miserably wasting a time of which we don't have much.

[Strengthandhonour]

most "European Americans" dont even consider themselves European, they just consider themselves "White". It seems that the only Americans that seem to share a close tie to European culture are the Americans of recent immigrants, besides for that, most Americans dont really see much of a tie to Europe from what I know.

[Milesian]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I remember one such American on the forum Irish-Nationalism who was literally demanding that him and other Americans were allowed in Ireland, while at the same time claiming that others [namely Spaniards] had no relation with Ireland whatsoever.

The funniest part of it is that the said individual was allegedly of mostly Polish with some Germanic descend. Or along the lines of one of those pick & mix colourful heritages.. Milesian probably remembers it better.

Are you referring to Saoirse, formerly Irish Nationalist, formerly Russian Nationalist?

[Dr. Solar Wolff]

Most Americans of European ancestry are of mixed European ancestry but you guys don't have to worry, we are not going to be immigrating to Europe. What we have to sort out here is what we want to be. Do we want a Brazilian-style country of mixed non-European races, and cultures, and relgions, and try to wrap it up and call it "America"?

The fact is that there is no one America. That is gone. Now, I and others like me want what is due us, a piece of this land-America for our own country.

Europe should be treating America as another Power just as they would treat China. We all hope our mutual relationship will improve but right now the USA is so entwined with European affairs, especially military affairs, that what seems to be needed is a divorce. The situation with American leadership is so much worse than even you believe it is that any sort of rational relationship is impossible as far as I can see.

[Dr. Solar Wolff]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

It shows when one reads profiles on the forums like those of Slavo-Germanic, Germano-Celtic, Germanic/Romance/Celtic, ... it's like a joke -what you wanna be today?- Sometimes I think that there is a pissing contest among Americans to see who profiles himself with more nonesense.

And let us just imagine for a moment that one of them sticks to just one ethnic group in his profile. What is the reality of his attachment to the alleged group? They are the few and between the cases where the mentality of the individual coincides with the mentality of the given group, and not with the mentality of America.

I remember one such American on the forum Irish-Nationalism who was literally demanding that him and other Americans were allowed in Ireland, while at the same time claiming that others [namely Spaniards] had no relation with Ireland whatsoever.

The funniest part of it is that the said individual was allegedly of mostly Polish with some Germanic descend. Or along the lines of one of those pick & mix colourful heritages.. Milesian probably remembers it better.

The whole Ireland thing started a few years ago when, evidently, the Irish were looking for more people and so began to put out feelers to Americans of Irish ancestry to re-immigrate to Ireland. It was said that anyone who could prove any Irish ancestry was OK to return. My daughter looked into this as she loves Ireland itself and the Irish but then got wrapped up in other concerns.

[Dr. Solar Wolff]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Following in the lines described above for Europe, I believe that the relation of Europe with America must be, in general terms, similar or like the relations with other countries/blocks in the world.

It might be the case that there is a Black president in Washington. Not something unthinkable of when today the Secretary of State, Congoleezza Rice, is a Black woman. So what? If you can have diplomatic and commercial relations with Nigeria, Mozambique or Zimbabwe, why not with the U.S. of America?

That on the grand picture of a hopeful future. On the smaller and more immediate picture, Nationalism in Europe must not go hand in hand with Racialism in America. Their particular status quo and their objectives are different to ours, and so are their lines of action. If they fail (and they will) we must not follow them into suicide. We owe them nothing but this miserable world of today.

We may be hearing a good deal more of "Congoleezza" Rice. There is a big scandal brewing and it looks like big laws were violated which all stemmed from Bush's speech about yellow-cake uranium in Niger. After the speech, a former offical challenged him who had visited Niger to get to the bottom of the uranium matter. The Bush administration fought back by exposing this former official's wife as a covert CIA agent, definately illegal. It seems that the top aids to both Bush and Cheney were involved and the conspiracy may led to Cheney himself. If he is indited, the rumor is that he will resign and Condoleezza Rice will be promoted to Vice President.

Condoleezza is a simple black woman of no great intellect who has been pushed along and promoted due to affirmative action. Her big talents are ice skating, playing the piano, and speaking Russian. Big deal!! Intellectually, she may have in IQ of 100, but I doubt it. Of course, this still puts her ten points higher than her boss, W., whose IQ is 90.

Even though she has been promoted, groomed, gone to the best schools, and given every break imaginable, I know that our best women here, such as Rusalka and Blood Axis, could beat Condoleezza in any intellectual contest. I would bet my life on it.

If there were any justice in this world, Condoleezza would be speaking from behind a bar as she serves Milesian his next Guinness while whispering slightly off-color jokes in his ear.

[Menydh]

First time that I heard of affirmative action was from my ex, who when she returned to South Africa worked in a workforce recruiting agency. She told me that companies called her to recruit personnel, and gave a series of requirements who she said that she could met with many of the job-seekers who she had in the archives. But then, finally, they demanded that the person was a Black, and there her trouble started because they didn't meet the requirements.

I believe that both affirmative action and political correctness are terms coined in and exported from Canada.