National revolutionary?

[Silas]

In France and Spain there are movements who call themselves national revolutionary, anyone who have some info on these guys? I would like to know a little more about their ideology, strategy etc.

I have found a link to a group in france: http://www.voxnr.com/
Any french person who would like to comment the site?

[Menydh]

If you are looking for groups such as MSR (Movimiento Social Republicano), they are blind alleys. They have even gone national-bolsheviks.

This one, JNR (Juventudes Nacional Revolucionarias), I think it is dead or absorbed by the MSR.

Mostly skinheads and little else.

[Silas]

Thanks for the answer.

I thought that the MSR was national syndicalists, they seem to be influenced by Ramiro Ledesma, are they not?

Hm, okay. They also seems to be inspired by Ramiro. So what are their ideology?

Im sorry to hear that they are all skins, i thought that the NR movement was a serious movement, maybe i was wrong?

[Menydh]

No, not all are skinheads in the MSR. But the line that they have been following attracts a good number of them.

In theory they are National Syndicalists, but they have also adopted weird agendas in the line of the National Bolsheviks.

As I said, a dead end.

[Wolffheim]

Mynydd: When you say that MSR has "gone national-bolsheviks", what do you mean more precisely?

Personally I associate National-boshevism with Niekisch rather than Dugin. But that probably makes me the exception. (Allthough I think NBP claim that they somehow draw inspiration from Niekisch.)

[Menydh]

Wolffheim, I don't have the faintest idea. It was a turn in direction (or a search for a "parallel" orientation) that some of its leaders had in the past.

Apparently they have dropped that already.

I'm not sure what they are up to right now. Their last disorientation was to campaign for the approval of the European Constitution (http://www.movimientosocialrepublica..._c_europea.pdf)

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Kvasir

In France and Spain there are movements who call themselves national revolutionary, anyone who have some info on these guys? I would like to know a little more about their ideology, strategy etc.

I have found a link to a group in france: http://www.voxnr.com/
Any french person who would like to comment the site?

National revolutionary movements have a long story in France... The current one is called "Les Identitaires". It is rather tiny (200-300 members in whole France) but has some activity (several concerts of Sniper, an anti-French hip hop band, were prohibited after their propaganda actions). They are pan-Europeanist, very anti-American and support separatists (Corsica, Brittany, Catalonia, Flanders, ...). They oppose the idea of Nation and want a "Great Europe"; they never refer to France or French but to "Ethnic Europeans" and - of course - want all non-Europeans out. Their strategy is the idea of an "acting minority".

Before Les Identitaires, there was a little extremist group "Unité Radicale"; Maxime Brunerie, who tried to kill Chirac in 2002, belonged to it and therefore Unité Radicale and its website were banned. This movement was very anti-Semitic and pro-Arab (pro-Palestinian, pro-Iraki) but these ideas became far less important among "Les Identitaires" because of problems of "political correctness". Unité Radicale had two important leaders, Fabrice Robert and Christian Bouchet : Robert created Les Identitaires in 2002 but Bouchet (a National-Bolshevik) didn't like this new orientation and hence we got VoxNR. Guillaume Luyt (former boss of FN youth) also joined Unité Radicale in 2000 when he left FN (he found too not extremist enough). It had about 3,000 sympathizers at that time.

Unité Radicale, created in 1998, had already united many national revolutionary and neo-nazi movements : GUD (fascist students, probably the most famous group but it was about to disappear), Jeune Résistance and Union des cercles résistance (national-revolutionary), PNFE (neo-nazi) and PNF (created by former Waffen-SS), ...

Finally VoxNR has about zero influence, as it is the tiny minority of a tiny minority (Les Identitaires) of a minority (French far right) of French people. I don't like these guys anyway (VoxNR). I've some friends who belong to "Les Identitaires" though, it is an active movement (although tiny) but I don't think they can do much.

[wilpuri]

Most European nations have no need for revolutionary movements. The mechanism for change is in place, called democracy. The hard bit is waking people up. I have a hard time with my close friends. I debate them pretty often and usually have them concede to my points, but the thing is, a nationalist point of view is deemed somehow juvenile and regressive by the current socio-political elite. People seem to be somehow ashamed, that such rhetoric appeals to them.

Anyway, as I said, revolution is useless/unnecessary. When the people wake up, there can be reform with completely legal political process, and a revolution doesn't work against the will of the people, not to mention that in this age armed revolution is completely impossible and unforseeable anywhere in the EU. Weaponry is key; how can a lightly armed militia go against government forces, with state of the art technology? No can do. We just have to keep bringing out our point of view. These 'revolutionary' movements do nothing but more harm. We have to form a legitimate and credible representation, one that can and must be taken seriously, and we must attempt to de-demonize nationalist ideals.