Germany: No Peace Treaty After 60 Years

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Awar

I'm sorry for interrupting... but, Biggles isn't directly guilty of anything ( unless proven )

Dont say that they might think your my friend or something then your be scarred for life !.

[Zyklop]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

all im seeing is folk from countries which have been occupied (some still are) by the British so you can understand me being slightly defensive Ja ?

Shouldn´t you more likely be slightly ashamed and sorry about this fact?

[Zyklop]

Originally Posted by Awar

I'm sorry for interrupting... but, Biggles isn't directly guilty of anything ( unless proven )

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

Yes, hes like a father to me .

You´re biased too!

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Zyklop

Shouldn´t you more likely be slightly ashamed and sorry about this fact?

Why ? You want me to carry a guilt trip because the Germans have to carry one too ?.

I cant help the history of my country, just like your fed up with people bringing up the history of yours !.

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Ederico Figallo

This thread is evolving in a pathetic way. Without hiding the truth on the matter, for a typical Englishman accepting the truth is the hardest task in relation to their history. They are prime manipulators and they manipulate their own people as well into believing a history which is more akin to fables.

I met a few Englishmen that accept the truth as it is when it relates to English relations with other Nations.

Obviously the idea that just because someone that suffered due to the English cannot be credible is ridiculous in comparison with the supposed truth that the English utter.

I do not want to demonise the English but those that can observe history accordingly know that whoever described the English as Angels, which gave them their name, was terribly wrong.

The typical Americans seem to have much in common with their Ex-Colonial masters.

Actually come to think of it, that does sound like your generalising.

[Aeternitas]

By the way, keep irrelevant and immature comments out of this thread, thank you.

[Ederico]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

Actually come to think of it, that does sound like your generalising.

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People calling you kid are probably more than right. Do you know how to take part in a serious discussion without sounding infantile?

I was highlighting what your Empire has done to my people, and not my people alone. Attempting to judge individual by individual will only help the perpetrator of crimes escape their guilt in this case, or should I give you name by name of the English that affected negatively Malta and many other European countries? It is time you start sounding more mature and realistic.

You are making fun of other people's misfortunes, is that responsible on your part?

[Awar]

Nah... your comment was way too inflammatory. This discussion though is way too serious for its own good.

I'm not defending Biggles when I say that this is a misunderstanding.
The things done by the British Empire are wrong from the perspective of most Europeans, but not from the point of an Englishman. I too think their involvments were catastrophic for Europe, and not only Europe, but the English themselves ( in the long run ). But, that's something hard to explain, and it's one of the major rifts between 'us' and 'them', and that includes any English poster which ever might come along.

But, all the European nations had their imperialistic adventures, at their own time,
the fact that Serbs did it in a time which isn't fresh in anyone's memory, or that Germans did it in a way that's popular among many members of this forum, doesn't make it automatically right and beyond discussion.

So, please let's debate with understanding for the position of the co-debater.

Unless the person is an American

[Biggles]

Sorry to revive a nasty thread, but just to say i did try and source that book from my local book shop, and they didnt have it, so i will try again somewhere else.

Just re-read this thread and my responses were knee jerks I`ll admit, see we English can accept the truth , but the more people came in and started slagging Britain off especially when they were NS Germans the more i got defensive as any citizen of their country would rightly do so, if i hadnt of i fear the thread could of turned into a one-sided argument with no other side to reply, even if it was "knee jerks".

Among 2 things which i find dubious now reading through it again, is Oswald Mosley given to me as one to read up on when he was a Fascist, guess which other country was Fascist at the time he was around, Zyklop has said in another thread that its "recommendable" for other countries to adopt NS, so you can understand me not taking seriously everything he said.

I know their are no pretty pictures in my countries past, ive repeatedly said im open to being told another side, but like My oh so best friend above me (he hates me really) said this just got to serious, the more it "evolved" the more i felt i was under attack just on my nationality, especially given this comment towards the end supposedly coming from a neutral person.

"Nun, das ist englisch; und in Anbetracht, dass die Englander das Volk des vollkommnen cant sind"

"Now, that is English; and in consideration that the Englishmen are the people of the perfect cant"

You can then see my reasoning for "knee-jerking" whether my side was wrong or right .