Germany: No Peace Treaty After 60 Years

[Eriugena]

I have started a new thread on Churchill and Iraq: Churchill and Iraq

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Reinhold Elstner

I have referred you to a number of BOOKS - you seem to ignore that.

I know but whos to say the books arent as biased and warped as the idiot box in the corner ?

That tells us nothing. You actually think that Blair would commit his country to war just to "back ol Bush up"? Do you think this is a cartoon or something? Why do you think Blair commited Britain to the Iraq war?

Why not ? Undoubtedly theirs more to it then that(oil, regime change), but given the relationship between the 2, its a fair bet.

[Eriugena]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

I know but whos to say the books arent as biased and warped as the idiot box in the corner ?

This is ridiculous. Do you possess any critical faculties at all? I suspect you don't seriously want to engage with these topics at all.

Why not ? Undoubtedly theirs more to it then that(oil, regime change), but given the relationship between the 2, its a fair bet.

The oil industry was against the war. As for "regime change" - apart from this being banned under international law - why would they want to do that? You still have not addressed the question of what interest Britain has in all this.

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Reinhold Elstner

This is ridiculous. Do you possess any critical faculties at all? I suspect you don't seriously want to engage with these topics at all.

Now i see criticising your version is ridiculous but criticising the official version is not ?.

The oil industry was against the war. As for "regime change" - apart from this being banned under international law - why would they want to do that? You still have not addressed the question of what interest Britain has in all this.

Its about power and regaining former colonies, mass murdering too i suppose, if i dont say it your say it for me.

[Eriugena]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

Now i see criticising your version is ridiculous but criticising the official version is not ?.

Believing the official version is ridiculous. But how can you critiise the revisionist version without becoming familiar with it first? You see you are being dismissive not critical.

The oil industry was against the war. As for "regime change" - apart from this being banned under international law - why would they want to do that? You still have not addressed the question of what interest Britain has in all this.

Its about power and regaining former colonies, mass murdering too i suppose, if i dont say it your say it for me.

Its about power alright, but that's a little vague. Britian is not in the business of regaining former colonies. The question is this: why does Britain always support America, even when it is unpopular with the British people, as this atrocious war surely is?

[Biggles]

Ohhh i know ! .

Because since the beginning of this Anglo-American alliance it has done things for each other which wernt necesserily in the best interests of the country but to fill the pockets of certain people, also Iraq was an enemy of Israel under Saddam, so we bring my good friends into the picture .

[Zyklop]

Originally Posted by Aeternitas

Biggles, did you even read my post properly? I said that if I had to choose between Communism and Americanism, I'd choose the former. Between two bads, I choose the least bad. The truth is there was more culture under a Communist regime than under the pathetic yankee influence. The conclusion you came to, however, was a very narrow-minded thing to say.

Nah, your biased! Are bow down to da man!

[Eriugena]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

Ohhh i know ! .

Because since the beginning of this Anglo-American alliance it has done things for each other which wernt necesserily in the best interests of the country but to fill the pockets of certain people, also Iraq was an enemy of Israel under Saddam, so we bring my good friends into the picture .

Great! So why didn't you say all that in the first place?

[Zyklop]

The "funny" thing is, that we are talking about the roots of the biggest tragedy mankind has ever experienced. Maybe you should lose that soccer match patriotism.

[Aeternitas]

I'm sorry, but these are serious issues we are talking about. There are Germans I do not consider national heroes just because they have the same nationality as I. Accepting the facts does not make you stupid, but realistic.

[Biggles]

Can i ask why its 2 Germans telling me this or have i missed something .

[Eriugena]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

Can i ask why its 2 Germans telling me this or have i missed something .

Hey, you forgot the Irishman.
Let's turn this around shall we? Of course a Brit/American/Hottentot or whatever would deny the facts about history which disrupt the national myth. That's called a knee-jerk reaction and doesn't really speak well for you. Anyway, as I keep telling you, ad hominem arguments are invalid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
It does not matter who says something, it is what is said that matters, and that you have to deal with, and so far you have not been doing a very good job.

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Reinhold Elstner

Hey, you forgot the Irishman.
Let's turn this around shall we? Of course a Brit/American/Hottentot or whatever would deny the facts about history which disrupt the national myth. That's called a knee-jerk reaction and doesn't really speak well for you. Anyway, as I keep telling you, ad hominem arguments are invalid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
It does not matter who says something, it is what is said that matters, and that you have to deal with, and so far you have not been doing a very good job.

Exactly what i said before, if all this was coming from a person from a country which has never heard of Britain, well guess the rest...

[Eriugena]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

Exactly what i said before, if all this was coming from a person from a country which has never heard of Britain, well guess the rest...

This makes no sense: how could somone talk about Britain without ever having heard about it?
According to you then no-one can possibly write a serious history, all we can hope or is one set of national lies and myths over another. The problem though is what happens when it is a national of that country who is writing the criticial history and attacking the myths and lies?

[Biggles]

You know what i mean...

[Eriugena]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

You know what i mean...

No I don't, I can only go on what someone actually says, I'm not a mind reader.

[Biggles]

Probably, i just see 3 people from countries which have either been invaded or something by Britain and slagging off its WW2 leader .

[Eriugena]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

Probably, i just see 3 people from countries which have either been invaded or something by Britain and slagging off its WW2 leader .

What I see is a pathetic attempt to evade the argument with irrelevancies and ad hominems

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Reinhold Elstner

What I see is a pathetic attempt to evade the argument with irrelevancies and ad hominems

So do i, so its pointless telling me this,tbh i sort of dont care any more, why not try the British Legion or something, im sure the British veterans would love to hear all this, hey they might make better opposition then me.

[Aeternitas]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

Probably, i just see 3 people from countries which have either been invaded or something by Britain and slagging off its WW2 leader .

We are simply accepting facts, unlike you. Churchill was no hero, and we don't say that because we're German or because our country had been invaded "or something", but because that is the truth.
Churchill shook hands with the zionists and even shamelessly admitted it: "I am, of course, a Zionist, and have been ever since the Balfour Declaration." (quoted in "The Official Churchill in One Volume," N.Y. Times, Nov. 6, 1991 by Herbert Mitgang )