Germany: No Peace Treaty After 60 Years

[Zyklop]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

Zyklop i suppose "Operation Sealion" against Britain and the actual invasion of half of Europe was just an accident then.

There would have been no "Operation Sealion" if Britain had accepted the peace offers. And for the "invasion of half of Europe":

Why Hitler Invaded the Soviet Union

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Zyklop

There would have been no "Operation Sealion" if Britain had accepted the peace offers. And for the "invasion of half of Europe":

Why Hitler Invaded the Soviet Union

I saw that before alooooong time ago in a thread far away...

Its something to digest but im not going to change my entire view on WW2 through one website.

You get conspiracy theories with everything, im not saying its incorrect though.

[Eriugena]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

Zyklop i suppose "Operation Sealion" against Britain and the actual invasion of half of Europe was just an accident then.

You have to go one step at a time. Sealion was planned after Britain and France declared war against Germany. Which other invasions are you referring to?

Elstner yes if you have any more info on this i would like it.

That's very general, what info in particular?

[Zyklop]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

You get conspiracy theories with everything, im not saying its incorrect though.

Feel free to disprove it.

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Zyklop

Feel free to disprove it.

Feel free to get me some hard evidence besides a website that specialises in conspiracy theories.

[Eriugena]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

Feel free to get me some hard evidence besides a website that specialises in conspiracy theories.

"Conspiracy theories" is a rhetorically loaded term? What makes you think that article is a "conspiracy theory"? I don't see anything in that article which could qualify it in that way.
You could always look at Stalin's War of Extermination 1941-1945: Planning, Realization and Documentation, Joachim Hoffmann, Ernst Topitsch, William Deist but you would have to order it because its not online.

[Biggles]

You have to go one step at a time. Sealion was planned after Britain and France declared war against Germany. Which other invasions are you referring to?

If the Germans were so innocent why did they invade half of Europe ? Denmark, Norway, Czech rep, Belgium etc, if Germany really was being intimidated id think they would of had alot more validity to stand their ground in their country to fight off invaders then invade other lands.

That's very general, what info in particular?

Info on this conspiracy against Germany by the allies.

[Zyklop]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

Feel free to get me some hard evidence besides a website that specialises in conspiracy theories.

Are more than 40 million Eastern Europeans, murdered by the self proclaimed world revolution hard evidence enough?

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Zyklop

Are more than 40 million Eastern Europeans, murdered by the self proclaimed world revolution hard evidence enough?

You mean Stalins purges ??

Sorry i dont follow.

[Eriugena]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

If the Germans were so innocent why did they invade half of Europe ? Denmark, Norway, Czech rep, Belgium etc, if Germany really was being intimidated id think they would of had alot more validity to stand their ground in their country to fight off invaders then invade other lands.

Britain and Germany declared war on Germany. Germany invaded France which involved going though the Low Countries. The invasion of Norway occured just before the British were set to invade. Clearly, once in a state of war, Hitler was determined to deprive the British an opportunity to invade by denying ground.

Info on this conspiracy against Germany by the allies.

The conspiracy, if that is what you want to call it was against Britain as well strangely enough because the result of the war for Britain was disastrous: it ended the war completely bankrupt and minus an empire. The only winners were Stalin and the US.

[Biggles]

I dont dispute Stalins intentions, Germany certainly did stop him, in fact i remember reading 2 former SS divisions were held back by the allies in case of a Soviet attack when the war ended.

Was it necessery to invade thecountries not associated with the allies, like Yugoslavia. When you look at the countries invaded by Germany you get the impression of a world conquering army .

[Zyklop]

Originally Posted by Reinhold Elstner

The conspiracy, if that is what you want to call it was against Britain as well strangely enough because the result of the war for Britain was disastrous: it ended the war completely bankrupt and minus an empire. The only winners were Stalin and the US.

A quote by Winston Churchill:

Germany´s unforgivable crime before WW2 was its attempt to loosen its economy out of the world trade system and to build up an own exchange system from which the world-finance couldn´t profit anymore. ...We butchered the wrong pig.
Winston Churchill "The second World War" Bern 1960

[Zyklop]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

Was it necessery to invade thecountries not associated with the allies, like Yugoslavia. When you look at the countries invaded by Germany you get the impression of a world conquering army .

The whole Balkan adventure was started on Mussolini´s wish. Blame the oh so loyal Italians.

[Aristotle]

ΕΥΤΥΧΕΙΤΕ!
Dear Mr Curzon Biggles, I think that difference is obvious between German and British moral during II WW.
For the instance, Greece was a great Ally to Britain. We fought Germans desperately serving interests of Allies. This Greek battle was against Greek interests! At the end of war, during final days, British bomb our citizens in our main port of Piraeus killing t h o u s a n d s of inocents. The reason simply was to destroy big quantities of ammunition which German left behind in order to discourage local communists to use them in their -already become visible- fight to seizure the government after Country's liberation.
Germans never bomb neutral Countries NOT EVEN GREEK CITIES when Greece was an enemy of Axis and Germany.
Axis, over all Germany, had a very moral Leadership at all!
After war, after was happened against Greece because of its involvement standing by the Britain, latest didn't hesitate to treat in the wrong way the case of Cyprus and KILL A LOT OF GREEK FREEDOM FIGHTERS, without any moral! Have a look in your press last three days where is clarified that also the turkish invation against Cyprus ( 1974 ) actually, was a project of British Foreign Office.
Kindest Regards!

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

Not meaning to be hurtful or rude, but it was war, i could go find numerous instances of Civilians bombed by German planes in cities here in Britain, but it was war and things like that happened.

[Biggles]

Well Churchill calls Germany a pig so its little wonder you dislike him, he got this country through a war whether it was wrong or right you cant take that away.

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Aristotle

ΕΥΤΥΧΕΙΤΕ!
Dear Mr Curzon Biggles, I think that difference is obvious between German and British moral during II WW.
For the instance, Greece was a great Ally to Britain. We fought Germans desperately serving interests of Allies. This Greek battle was against Greek interests! At the end of war, during final days, British bomb our citizens in our main port of Piraeus killing t h o u s a n d s of inocents. The reason simply was to destroy big quantities of ammunition which German left behind in order to discourage local communists to use them in their -already become visible- fight to seizure the government after Country's liberation.
Germans never bomb neutral Countries NOT EVEN GREEK CITIES when Greece was an enemy of Axis and Germany.
Axis, over all Germany, had a very moral Leadership at all!
After war, after was happened against Greece because of its involvement standing by the Britain, latest didn't hesitate to treat in the wrong way the case of Cyprus and KILL A LOT OF GREEK FREEDOM FIGHTERS, without any moral! Have a look in your press last three days where is clarified that also the turkish invation against Cyprus ( 1974 ) actually, was a project of British Foreign Office.
Kindest Regards!

I dont know what to say....sorry ?.

Every country has its dark corners i wont pretend Britain doesnt but like were now seeing in Iraq when in war you fight to win you have little time for morals etc.

[Zyklop]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

Well Churchill calls Germany a pig so its little wonder you dislike him,

I think you didn´t understand that quote.

he got this country through a war whether it was wrong or right you cant take that away.

You are aware that Great Britain lost all his colonies as an effect of WW2?

[Eriugena]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

I dont know what to say....sorry ?.

Every country has its dark corners i wont pretend Britain doesnt but like were now seeing in Iraq when in war you fight to win you have little time for morals etc.

So you do not know the difference between a just war and an unjust war?

[Biggles]

I think you didn´t understand that quote.

What i gather from it he didnt like the way Germany was going but says afterwards the wrong country was invaded.

You are aware that Great Britain lost all his colonies as an effect of WW2?

Yes, you lose many things in war including territory.