America's Suicide Pact: The US Constitution

[eufrenio]

Here´s a link to an interesting discussion about the US constitution.
http://majorityrights.com/index.php/.../comments/878/

America's Suicide Pact: The US Constitution


And here´s a comment that perhaps some Stirpes posters would agree with:

What Americans are learning, the hard way, is that a legal document is no substitute for a polity based on kinship.

The ‘propositional nation’ is failing not because the proposition was betrayed but because it was fatally flawed from the start. A divinely ordained and protected institution, monarchy, was dismissed on flimsy grounds, and a set of universalist theorems about the nature of Man substituted.

Abstraction replaced flesh and blood. The disloyal clothed their blasphemy and treachery in the language of Enlightenment. They robbed and drove into exile their loyal fellow-colonists, then pretended these had never existed. They redoubled their persecution of the indigenous inhabitants, most of whom had looked to the King for protection. They stole land from Spain. Then they fell on each other in the bloodiest war known until then, and covered their shame at its futility by invading or subverting countless countries and governments around the world.

But still more will be exacted from the USA for the impiety which began in Boston. ‘God sees the truth, but waits.’ (Tolstoy). America, which has weltered in blood and bad faith for all its largely squalid history, is now probably the most widely hated nation there has ever been. It has begun to fall into its racial pieces. It is ruled by criminals, persecutors, liars, robbers. It is bullying, looting, morally corrupting and physically dirtying the world so recklessly, and with such a depth of delusion about its benevolence, that one can only tremble for the enormous, vaguely perplexed minority of decent and faithful folk in that unhappy, officially godless republic.

These Americans never asked to be born into the warfare/welfare travesty of what the Founders intended. They sense how badly things have gone wrong, but cannot yet admit that it all began in 1776-- not in 1860 nor in 1933 nor in 1945, but in 1776. May the Lord spare good Americans the wrath to be visited on America’s rulers, who have begun to scourge the best of their own people as they scourge so many of the rest of us.
Posted by Effra on 05/25 at 09:44 PM

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/.../comments/878/

[Menydh]

Excellent. Altough if they are finally going to chant mea culpa, they should do it with all its consequences, and not exculpate the root and origin of the evil beast known as America.

It is the Anglo-Saxon mind that created such hideous beast, and it is of no help that they attempt to construct yet another myth by which there was something good that was later corrupted. They brought the seed of corruption with themselves in their souls.

[SouthernBoy]

I hope that the United States collapses in on itself before we are no longer a majority. We may then still have a chance.

[ÅnÐReS]

That's a very interesting blog, eufrenio. Thanks for the link.

[eufrenio]

Originally Posted by ÅnÐReS

That's a very interesting blog, eufrenio. Thanks for the link.

You´re welcome!

[Aeternitas]

Sure, constitutions can be bad. I don't know about the American one, but just have the EU one as an example... But also another problem are the anticonstitutional regimes (which applies worldwide, btw).

Supporting one's government just because it is 'American' is not the right thing to do. Before doing that one must analyse its good and its bad points. Unfortunately blind support is what keeps things from taking their right course.

[SouthernBoy]

Originally Posted by Aeternitas

Unfortunately blind support is what keeps things from taking their right course.

Well, most people are retarded, not to mention the majority of my countrymen.

I think they just need a smooth-talking dictator (SouthernBoy) to whip them into shape.

[Aeternitas]

You're not the first "Amurikin" to say that

In all seriousness, there are decent Americans and many who don't believe in their government, I just think the situation is unfortunate because they are a minority. Then, there's the noneuropean problem. Americans of European descent are slowly becoming a minority themselves in certain areas from what I hear.

[SouthernBoy]

They already are here... but I have an anti-mestizo potion.

I would talk about the government, but I would have some "patriotiotic" CIA agents breathing down my neck.

[Dr. Solar Wolff]

No, no. I am surprised that so many, and so many Americans don't understand how things really work in their own country. Might makes right. I think the Germans say "Faustrecht". Might in American means guns. Whoever has the most guns makes it all right. Guns mean arms but nobody wants to use the word "arms". Here is why.

The Second Amendment to the US Constution says that citizens have the unabridged right to bear arms. Not guns, arms. Arms is what the military has. This means I have the right to a nuclear weapon---and I have. This was there on purpose so the people could rise up against an unjust goverment--like that of President Darth W. Vader. But the goverment took that right away.

Rights to Free Speech, Freedom of Assembly, Freedom of Association, Freedom of Movement and Freedom against Unjust Search and Siezure have all been taken away or restricted by Homeland Security laws.

I was born in a great country, not perfect but in all things considered, make no mistake about that. But I no longer live in that country. It's gone.

You non-Anglo-Saxons can debate whatever issues you like about the US Constitution, I don't care at all. I only want it back.

[SouthernBoy]

Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff

I was born in a great country, not perfect but in all things considered, make no mistake about that. But I no longer live in that country. It's gone.

I haven't been around very long, but I have seen our situation degrade from bad to worse. I refuse to believe there isn't hope still, but I have to be a realist.

The constitution is an excellant document, but remains flawed (perhaps only in interpretation, as I like to believe) in it's equal application to members of different groups. I don't know how much longer we can remain loyal to this document, when it has betrayed us, but the odds still remain in our favor if we remain in the majority.

[Amedeo]

Originally Posted by eufrenio

Here´s a link to an interesting discussion about the US constitution.
http://majorityrights.com/index.php/.../comments/878/

America's Suicide Pact: The US Constitution

And here´s a comment that perhaps some Stirpes posters would agree with:


http://majorityrights.com/index.php/.../comments/878/

[As my profile does not show it, I am an immigrant in the USA from Italy, etc.] I wish to point out that most Americans, as well as the cited article (interesting as it is), confuse the document called "Constitution of the United States of America" and the actual political constitution (and government) of the USA. Furthermore, most of those Americans who are familiar with the Constitution understand it in the light of the actual government [the federal Administrations in Washington, D.C.] rather than in terms of what it says. So, I will state a few points about what I must call "my interpretation," since it is not the official or popular understanding in the USA:

After the Constitution was ratified in 1787, the question arose, What have we accomplished? And Franklin replied in effect: We have made a republic for ourselves. And he wished that it would last at least for 20 years. The document has lasted for more than 200 years, by in fact the republic kept on being modified so that today there is a tyrannical olygarchy of elected officials (pre-approved by the political-party brokers).

The Constitution was about the political UNION of the 13 States which had attained freedom from the British monarchy. So, the republic is a republic of free States, not simply of free citizens. The Preamble is most important, since it stipulates the reasons why the Union was formed and -- I infer -- states the domain of federal [Union] legislation. These reasons [6, of which 3 are most important] are about the COMMON CONCERNS of the States or of the citizens. So, in effect, the "government" outlined in the Constitution is equivalent to the Senate of the Roman republic. Indeed, the Senate dealt with the res publica, the common concerns or business of the FREE people. The people were not ruled, legislated upon, or dominated. (For inter-citizens affairs there was jurisrudence whose "laws" were actually enacted in the courts by people wise in the JUS, What-Is-Right.) The republic was a unique union of FREE citizens, without lords over their heads, either foreign or domestic.

The Constitution's most important principles are: The provision of the common defense, the institution of justice, and the promotion of the general welfare [which corresponds to the "public" works of the Roman Senate and today may include communitarian enterprises such as mutual insurances -- paid for by the beneficiaries themselves].

The Constitution was stated and meant to be the constitution of a REPUBLIC, but, at least at the beginning, the States were free to make laws as they wished [according to the practice of monarchic governments], and the British [monarchic] laws which were in effect in the States were never abrogated; they were modified only to the extent that there were no lords to be served. So, the actual USA republic was NOT an ideal republic from its very beginning. The military expansionism from the Atlantic to the Pacific was in line with the monarchic practices of the times. Around the beginning of the 20th century, the government became the strong arm of industrial capitalism and started engaging in international capitalistic ventures. So, Theodore Roosevelt caused the destabilization of the Panama government so that a more friendly government gave him permission to construct the Panama canal.

Woodrow Wilson practically re-wrote the Preamble of the Constitution : It became the duty of the American citizens to fight for the rights and the freedom of small nations, to protect democracies and freedom of the seas around the world. Thus the American REPUBLIC came to an end in 1917, as the citizens are obliged to provide service to foreign powers. This was the treason that no history book speaks about. Our president Bush is in more ways than one a true Wilsonian, for the freedom and the welfare of the citizens is sacrificed to the interests of the Capitalists and the Zionists. The Iraq war was planned and executed by the Capitalist-Zionist regime in Washington: for the protection of Israel and for providing domestic business. He awarded reconstructions contracts even before the destructive "shock and awe" campaign was completed. This was the war which could not wait. France almost foiled the Regime's efforts, wherefore recourse to the UN was omitted and the "democracy-bringers" carried out their murderous plan. (As Sharon announced in those days: It is of vital importance to disarm Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Libya. As we can see, preparations are being made for the war against Iran, but the military personnel is relatively small and service will be made mandatory in the near future.)

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfelt, and the Zionist contingent, Perle --the architecht of the Iraq war -- Kissinger [not in office], and Wolfowitz, are the conspicuous gangsters who rule the American people; Zionist CIA agents, who were instrumental in the 9/11 attacks, work in secret. By mistake, one Israeli corporation in Israel was informed of the attacks on the New York towers two hours before the event; no airplane was ever found where the Pentagon was attacked; etc. etc. etc. Most Americans are still under the ILLUSION that this is "a government of the people, by the people, and for the people." That's suicidal!

At the instigation of 3 German Zionists, Wilson hurried a war on the side of England [WW I], in 1917. Their recompense was the Balfour declaration, which gave the Zionists access to Palestine. At the same time, Wilson received Trotsky together with 20 million dollars in gold from a US Jewish Bank, in order to destabilize the Czarist government... because Wilson had an economical eye on the Far East, which was dominated by Japan. (Lenin beat Trotsky to the demise of the Russian monarchy, and the new communist government was unfriendly toward Wilson. This poor man even sent American troops to Siberia in the attempt to destabilize the Communist government, and failed again.) Germany lost the war; the Zionists gained the right of access to Palestine. The rest is history. (Our present subsidy, in cash and goods, to Israel is about SEVEN BILLION dollars a year, plus occasional bonuses, such as the 9 million dollars a US Jewish congresswoman proposed and obtained after the Iraq war erupted. Incidentally, about a thousand speciailized American soldiers were sent to Israel... just in case the Israelis had to undertake any self-defensive measures against the Arabs. Pre-emptive defense of a small democratic nation under our protectorate, as Bush might say!)

[Dr. Solar Wolff]

We could discuss the history of documents and thought leading up to the US Constitution, but why bother. The US Constitution is a wonderful document. It guarentees basic freedoms. It has provisions for amending it in order to change with the times.

Everything worked well until about the 1880s with the first big flood of Jews into the USA. They found things they did not like. Mostly, the thing they did not like was that they had no control. So, they set about changing the Constitution rather than finding a country more to their liking. They changed it by challenging it in the courts with the implication that our Constitution was a "living, breathing, document". Our Constitution can be amended, as mentioned, but that is not what they were talking about. Rather than rights chiseled in stone, rights became subject to a higher good, their good. Things began to change in the 20th Century and continue to this day.

Now, we have no Constitution. All our rights are either gone or severly modified. Words say one thing but words do not rule, guns rule. The rulers of America don't give a damm about the Consitution, hell only Congress can declare war and you all have just seen the President do this, alone, on his own. Guns rule and the government has the guns.

According to the Constitution, the only tax the federal government can levy are tarriffs. Imagine that!! Now, we are taxed to death and it is all justified, somehow, by court decisions in which the Constitution is "a living breathing document". Now, if I had the same firepower as the military, as the Constitution provides and guarentees me that I have, do you think I would even discuss income tax, sales tax, property tax, exit tax at the airport, etc. with any of them? Hell no, I wouldn't send them a tax return, I would send them a V-2 rocket.

America has become "an opportunity" rather than a country. We are taxed for the benifit of the country which directs our military and economy. We are a client country. Citizens of the USA are expected to pay taxes, fight in the military for the benifit of our client, and die before we are old enough to collect much of any retirement. This last point isn't too hard for the government either since we have no health insurance. Daily, we are reminded that we have no rights.

And like in some Orwellian or 1984 nightmare, we find ourselves in a neverending war in which some vague foreign threat is attempting to kill each and every one of us for no apparent reason---or so we are told. This war is then used as grounds for taking away more rights for purposes of "security".

But Americans are sooooooooooooo stupid that they cannot see any of this. After all, they take orders from a wooden boy, strings attached, mouth moving with other people's words, whose nose gets longer each time he speaks--and they think he is being devinely inspired, doing god's work.

There is no hope for America. The only hope is to break it up in chunks which make more sense as happened when the Soviet Union reorganized. Then, without foreign influence, we will again be able to have our Consitution and the freedoms it promises.

[Amedeo]

Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff

We could discuss the history of documents and thought leading up to the US Constitution, but why bother. The US Constitution is a wonderful document. It guarentees basic freedoms. It has provisions for amending it in order to change with the times.

Everything worked well until about the 1880s with the first big flood of Jews into the USA. They found things they did not like. Mostly, the thing they did not like was that they had no control. So, they set about changing the Constitution rather than finding a country more to their liking. They changed it by challenging it in the courts with the implication that our Constitution was a "living, breathing, document". Our Constitution can be amended, as mentioned, but that is not what they were talking about. Rather than rights chiseled in stone, rights became subject to a higher good, their good. Things began to change in the 20th Century and continue to this day.

Now, we have no Constitution. All our rights are either gone or severly modified. Words say one thing but words do not rule, guns rule. The rulers of America don't give a damm about the Consitution, hell only Congress can declare war and you all have just seen the President do this, alone, on his own. Guns rule and the government has the guns.

According to the Constitution, the only tax the federal government can levy are tarriffs. Imagine that!! Now, we are taxed to death and it is all justified, somehow, by court decisions in which the Constitution is "a living breathing document". Now, if I had the same firepower as the military, as the Constitution provides and guarentees me that I have, do you think I would even discuss income tax, sales tax, property tax, exit tax at the airport, etc. with any of them? Hell no, I wouldn't send them a tax return, I would send them a V-2 rocket.

America has become "an opportunity" rather than a country. We are taxed for the benifit of the country which directs our military and economy. We are a client country. Citizens of the USA are expected to pay taxes, fight in the military for the benifit of our client, and die before we are old enough to collect much of any retirement. This last point isn't too hard for the government either since we have no health insurance. Daily, we are reminded that we have no rights.

And like in some Orwellian or 1984 nightmare, we find ourselves in a neverending war in which some vague foreign threat is attempting to kill each and every one of us for no apparent reason---or so we are told. This war is then used as grounds for taking away more rights for purposes of "security".

But Americans are sooooooooooooo stupid that they cannot see any of this. After all, they take orders from a wooden boy, strings attached, mouth moving with other people's words, whose nose gets longer each time he speaks--and they think he is being devinely inspired, doing god's work.

There is no hope for America. The only hope is to break it up in chunks which make more sense as happened when the Soviet Union reorganized. Then, without foreign influence, we will again be able to have our Consitution and the freedoms it promises.

Notice that the "breaking up" in Soviet Union took place from the top; there were no popular insurrections or revolution. Again, the American revolution of '76 was possible because it war organized at the top (by the governors of the colonies).

Jefferson was of the opininion that periodically there should be a constitutional convention. But the Constitution -- we agree -- is not the problem. It's the repudiation of it that is the problem, and certainly those in power have no intention of going back to the old republic. Furthermore, even though we have the Constitutional right to bear arms, you know very well what has happened: Basically the Americans have been disarmed, and if you accumulate any ammunition, you'll be suspect of intending to overthrow the government. Even the State militias have been nationalized... so that a state should not get the bright idea of cededing or of starting a revolution. The federal government has worked for its safety and will allow no break ups, revolts, or re-claiming of the Constitutional rights. They also control the media, or the media are their sympathizers, so that there is no way -- apart from the internet -- of publicing any movement against the tyranny. And the moment any movement is discovered, it will be smothered in no uncertain terms.

When posting in Stormfront, I made many suggestions for the White Gentiles to form a closer association and to plan political action: Founding a party, under and for the Constitution, which aims at the restoration of the republic as well as the protection and advencement of whites [who keep on losing ground with respect to other races and certainly with respect to the Jews].

While all white Gentiles on both sides of the Atlantic should work for solidarity, each country has to solve its peculiar problems. It takes time and effort, but I feel that it is possible for the Americans to get started on a double project: the restoration of the republic, with freedom from the Jews (who encroach on all American institutions and have allegiance to their tribe), and the civil and cultural advancement of Whites.

[Aeternitas]

I'm "ressurecting" this thread because of something outrageous I have recently read in the news. Is the US Constitution good or bad? Apparently to some, it's just a "goddamned piece of paper":

Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

[...]

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

[...]

Full story

[Siegmund]

Originally Posted by Aeternitas

Is the US Constitution good or bad? Apparently to some, it's just a "goddamned piece of paper"

Yes, and defending it has become a crime. Note the first panel:



Here's the front:



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