Do you believe in Europe?

[Endovelicus]

Do you believe in Europe?

[Cristoforo]

Can you expand a bit the question?

[Mjölnir]

Directly Europe as the construct "political) EU NO WAY...!!!

Europe a a Kontinent of Nations for themself yes i can.

M.

[Blood Axis]

Let me see...uh..ehrr...

What is Stirpes Europaeae?

Stirpes is a project which aims to provide a space for information on past and current affairs, as well as future trends, and discussion between the Nationalist peoples of Europe. Our allegiances and concerns are strictly with every and each of the Nations of Europe, and the doom which threatens the preservation and which endangers the very existance of the peoples of Europe and their Nations, our cultures and our heritages.

We are alien to concepts like Pan-Europeanism, White Nationalism, or any other such constructs which may imply a loss of our individual national identities in favour of an homogeneous pro-European pseudo-identity or, worse, of an amorphous Internationalism based on pseudo-racial delusions. We are simply Europeans and Nationalists, regardless of distinctions in political ideologies and religions.

Stirpes is a forum for the discussion of matters that concern European Nationalists.

[Aeternitas]

In this sense, I think a lot of people on Stirpes do. Otherwise we wouldn't be here, would we?

[Agrippa]

I believe in Europe as a biological and cultural entity, a historical factor, but not in the current structures of the European Union of course...

[Blood Axis]

Originally Posted by Agrippa

I believe in Europe as a biological and cultural entity, a historical factor, but not in the current structures of the European Union of course...

100% agreed.

[Theobald]

I believe in Europe as a common identity and currently a common fight, though I tend to rather define myself as a Western European (culturally, ethnically, historically, ...).

[Gil]

I don't believe in Europe, nor in any country nor even in that any of you board "users" truly exist. I believe you are only digital constructs, created by the Machines to keep me trapped in the Matrix, but i've taken the pill and.... oh, wait, wrong board

I believe that Europe = continent composed of different nations and different cultures, all sharing similar beliefs and social structures, and only that.
Pan-europeism, be it political or cultural, can only do harm.
Would Europe still be Europe without german beer, swiss chocolate, spanish wine, portuguese fish, french croissants, scandinavian-expensive-yet-safe cars, italian and greek women???!!! No, we would become a feeble mishmash, the retard cousin of Big Brother USA.

[Agrippa]

I don't believe in Europe, nor in any country nor even in that any of you board "users" truly exist. I believe you are only digital constructs, created by the Machines to keep me trapped in the Matrix, but i've taken the pill and.... oh, wait, wrong board

Its more realistic to assume that your brain tricks you so or so and that what you consider reality is just the caricature.

The USA have many bad sides, but if you look at it in detail, there is some diversity, the problem is much more the power and structure of power and control, unified elements which corrupt the people.
Europe as a political power will not and should not be of that kind, the positive cultural diversity is not necessarily a contradiction to a paneuropean policy, nor has a positive image of Europe as a whole unity lead to a paneuropean view at all.

Political power and structures must be unified to some degree to allow Europe to be strong and independent, since thats the precondition to national souvereignty I dont see such a big contradiction at all. Its better to depend on related people than being the object of very foreign elements...
The European Union was from the beginning a mistake if its about many details, and now its became and mistake in itself, but that doesnt have to mean the idea wasnt bad only.
Finally the Neoliberal and Marxist tendencies, the American (and English) influence made it as bad as it is. The structures are bad either, but with a Euro-wide movement they could have been improved, of course thats a total illusion look at the current reality, but hey...let me dream on...bah!
I really hate the EU for using "European" in so many bad ways, every decent German f.e. must see "European" now as the absurdity of Neoliberalism and the idiocy of bad people to some degree, but only because they managed to hijack the name and if the Neoliberals speak about "European values", they mean just the liberal values and nothing else, as if Europe would have been nothing else...thats something, beside many other things, for what I really hate them. They hijacked and abused so much of what had a worth in itself, on its own in Europe..once, a long time ago.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Agrippa

The USA have many bad sides, but if you look at it in detail, there is some diversity, the problem is much more the power and structure of power and control, unified elements which corrupt the people.

As Symmakhos said on another thread, they have a federal reserve in the place of a soul.

As for their diversity, I'm not sure what you mean. To me they look like groups of urban and rural tribes without any "substance" other than the distorted views of what they, in their infinite ignorance, imagine their heritage to be. That wouldn't be a problem if their moves were limited, perhaps locked up in a mental institution to avoid damaging others and damaging themselves.

Europe as a political power will not and should not be of that kind, the positive cultural diversity is not necessarily a contradiction to a paneuropean policy, nor has a positive image of Europe as a whole unity lead to a paneuropean view at all.

Take into account that the political construct of Pan-Europeanism implies a degree of a loss of national sovereignty which, in the long run, brings the loss of other aspects. The E.U. is, in its own way, an example of Pan-Europeanism. Globalisation is just a few steps ahead.

Political power and structures must be unified to some degree to allow Europe to be strong and independent, since thats the precondition to national souvereignty I dont see such a big contradiction at all. Its better to depend on related people than being the object of very foreign elements...

Through a council of nations, perhaps. However we've seen how common policies in the E.U. have been realized to favour some country members' interests while damaging others.

The European Union was from the beginning a mistake if its about many details, and now its became and mistake in itself, but that doesnt have to mean the idea wasnt bad only.

The political union of Europe has been a dream since the old times. The reason why it has always failed is probably because it always involved a loss of independence for the nations. If this is not taken scrupulously into account, any other future attempt will fail miserably as have all others in the past.

It must be realized that Europe is a highly complex and fragile space.

Finally the Neoliberal and Marxist tendencies, the American (and English) influence made it as bad as it is. The structures are bad either, but with a Euro-wide movement they could have been improved, of course thats a total illusion look at the current reality, but hey...let me dream on...bah!

Perhaps that's where everything came wrong from the first day. The union started as an economic area, as a reflection of something strange to the spirit of Europe. They have been constructing a counter-image of the Anglo-American world.. with the England as the eternal fifth column. It couldn't work no matter what.

In the future, to have a future, we must not forget the past and learn the hard lessons of it. And by the past in the future I don't mean only the present, but all of it.

These are times of darkness, but Europe has a soul which is still alive like a flame in people. We can expect worst things to come, but that is necessary for more to revive their flames, and only through it we will be able to raise, this time reinforced with the learning from the experience.

[Aeternitas]

Due to the human and material losses as a result of World War II, Europe was facing a political, economical and moral crisis. The democratic Western European countries were in danger of becoming economically dependent on the US. There was also social tension. The economical rise of the US, if one compares it to the situation in Europe, was a threat and these states felt an impulse to act towards unity. The communist threat had its contribution as well. Therefore there were attempts towards some form of European solidarity. Harmonising of the national interests, trying to stuff all cultures into one bigger culture, accepting noneuropean immigrants, loosening the borders, replacing nationalism with patriotism, preaching state equality, false democracy, all these contributed to the situation we are in today. And it is getting worse, as there may be doors opening for noneuropean countries like Turkey.

The way I see it, European solidarity is not a wrong idea. We as Europeans should have a European conscience - we should be aware that we are part of Europe but this European identity should not come in contradiction with our ethnic/national identities. Before we are Europeans, we should be Germans/French/Irish/Greeks and so on. Pan-Europeanism is, from certain points of view, the European version of White Nationalism - it strips us from our national identities and we would have much to lose in such a case.

[Laocoon]

Originally Posted by Manji

Pan-europeism, be it political or cultural, can only do harm.
Would Europe still be Europe without german beer, swiss chocolate, spanish wine, portuguese fish, french croissants, scandinavian-expensive-yet-safe cars, italian and greek women???!!! No, we would become a feeble mishmash, the retard cousin of Big Brother USA.

I do not believe in Bruxelles, but I do believe in Europe.
Btw, wasn't croissants created in Vienna to make fun of muslim Turkish and commemorate Austrian victory over Ottoman troops? I'm honored.

[SouthernBoy]

Originally Posted by Endovelicus

Do you believe in Europe?

Europe as a world region, yes. Europe as a cohesive political unit, no.

I fear that Europe's unique cultures are endangered by the E.U.

The cost of each nations's solidarity will be their lack of collective power. Although in times of invasions from un-European enemies Europe should(has) act(ed) as a single unit. Although, IMO, long-term political unity can only lead to the destruction of Europe's cultural (and "intrasubspecific variation" ) diversity.