Are you in favour of the creation an European Army?

[Bulair]

What I hate is the fact that many Maltese think that Malta’s neutrality is equal to no possible future attack by another country.

Well, yes it is, why should anyone want to invade Malta?First of all Malta is a member of NATO, so if anyone ever attacks Malta this will be an attack against NATO and if such an attack ever happens this will be the 3rd world war, so Malta will be your last concern

Europe does need a strong allied military force, especially to keep illegal immigration in check, which is a plague here. Also countries like N. Korea and China are becoming more hostile by the minute. Missile-shield programmes against ICBMs and the sort are practically non-existent in Europe, as far as I know, and barely anything is being done to stall the threat of a nuclear attack.

How do you imagine an allied European army keeping illegal immigrants away?You have border police and immigration control buros for that.

Even though North Korea has nuclear weapons, they don't have the necessary missiles to launch them anywhere further than a 2000km radius.China, on the other hand, is definitely not hostile towards USA, let alone Europe, so I have no idea what are you talking about.

Hey, anyway France has nuclear weapons, so if a non-European country tries to invade an EU-country, we have to defend it (though I don't know whether this obligation is already existing or if it is in the future Constitution).

Just a reminder, in world politics, nobody cares how white or European a certain country is.It just doesn't matter and wars aren't fought over sentimental issues, so if France doesn't have direct economical, political or whatever benefit, France as well as any other country probably wouldn't give a shit.On the other hand, if a there is some kind of war in Europe, this will be very serious.

Internation armies are indeed a joke, armies nowadays aren't what they used to be and are more or less obsolete, especially in Europe.

[Cristoforo]

Well, yes it is, why should anyone want to invade Malta?First of all Malta is a member of NATO, so if anyone ever attacks Malta this will be an attack against NATO and if such an attack ever happens this will be the 3rd world war, so Malta will be your last concern

Malta is not a member of NATO. We are a neutral country and this condition is entrenched in our constitution and need two-thirds of the parliament vote to be amended.

This means that not even the government (without the opposition's approval) can get Malta in the NATO.

This is what our constitution says -->

(3) Malta is a neutral state actively pursuing peace, security and social progress among all nations by adhering to a policy of non-alignment and refusing to participate in any military alliance.

Such a status will, in particular, imply that:

(a) no foreign military base will be permitted on Maltese territory;



(b) no military facilities in Malta will be allowed to be used by any foreign forces except at the request of the Government of Malta, and only in the following cases:

(i) in the exercise of the inherent right of self defence in the event of any armed violation of the area over which the Republic of Malta has sovereignty, or in pursuance of measures or actions decided by the Security Council of the United Nations; or

(ii) whenever there exists a threat to the sovereignty, independence, neutrality, unity or territorial integrity of the Republic of Malta;

(c) except as aforesaid, no other facilities in Malta will be allowed to be used in such manner or extent as will amount to the presence in Malta of a concentration of foreign forces;

(d) except as aforesaid, no foreign military personnel will be allowed on Maltese territory, other than military personnel performing, or assisting in the performance of, civil works or activities, and other than a reasonable number of military technical personnel assisting in the defence of the Republic of Malta;

(e) the shipyards of the Republic of Malta will be used for civil commercial purposes, but may also be used, within reasonable limits of time and quantity, for the repair of military vessels which have been put in a state of non-combat or for the construction of vessels; and in accordance with the principles of non-alignment the said shipyards will be denied to the military vessels of the two superpowers.

The Constitution of Malta

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Bulair

Just a reminder, in world politics, nobody cares how white or European a certain country is.It just doesn't matter and wars aren't fought over sentimental issues, so if France doesn't have direct economical, political or whatever benefit, France as well as any other country probably wouldn't give a shit.

This is not a "sentiment" but a(n) (future) obligation : there is a clause of mutual defense in EU Constitution. There is a more important obligation in WEU (Western European Union) but I think Malta doesn't belong to it though. Anyway I don't think anybody will try to invade an EU country (militarily).

[IrishThirdPosition]

Good Christ, who the hell are the four in favour of a European army?

[Heretik]

Originally Posted by IrishThirdPosition

Good Christ, who the hell are the four in favour of a European army?

Click on the one number that shows who voted for what and you'll see.

[Perun]

Originally Posted by Endovelicus

Are you in favour of an European Army?

No. And I outlined some of my views on the matter at my blog
http://thirdpositionreview.blogspot....-american.html

[ddt]

Yes.And leader-country should be Russia.

[Heretik]

Originally Posted by ddt

Yes.And leader-country should be Russia.

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by ddt

Yes.And leader-country should be Russia.

I hope this is a joke

[trinacria]

Originally Posted by Der Elsasser

Not an European army, but why not some sort of European NATO; at least between Western European countries (France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Ireland, Croatia, ...) since I think Russia don't want to have its army under a foreign rule. Our armies need some cooperation, because they aren't (yet) powerful enough against our common enemies (mostly the USA).

This already exists between French and German armies (Brigade Franco-Allemande / Deutsch-Franzosische Brigade) : more than 5,000 French and German soldiers in Müllheim, Donaueschingen and Immendingen (Bade-Wurtemberg) are under common Franco-German rule. And don't forget Eurocorps (France, Germany, Luxembourg, Belgium and Spain), but under NATO's rule. I like its flag though :

I agree with you, completely. It would be hard to dismantle NATO and put an all European federation and army in its relative place, so therefore, that is what I voted for. However, I'm all for it, as long as the respective countries got to keep their militaries as well.

[Slavni]

And High-Commander should be general Ratko Mladic.
God bless you ''šefe''