Political Orientation

[Caesar Princeps]

Originally Posted by Faísca

Which reminds me... What do you guys think of Pim Fortuyn?
(you know, the guy considered to be the greatest netherlander by a public poll in 2004...)

Not the best encyclopedia around, but here's wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn

I think it is another demonstration (see Alexandros, Caius Iulius Caesar, Haelius Hadrianus, Michelangelo Buonarroti) that homosexuality is a bad vice and a sin, but that people should not be condemned (morally and legally) just for it.

[Rodozashtitnik]

I describe myself as a Monarcho - Fascist, an ideology which is a mixture of Bulgarian fascism and an Orthodox Bulgarian Monarchy.

[tankistabg]

I am a nationalist. For me that means that one loves his country and will fight for it. But it also means that one should marry a white woman so that his children aren't "degenerates"

[Rodozashtitnik]

Originally Posted by tankistabg

I am a nationalist. For me that means that one loves his country and will fight for it. But it also means that one should marry a white woman so that his children aren't "degenerates"

All do respect, mate, but nationalism is not a political orientation. It's a feeling, which means that you love your country but most of all you love your nation and you put them above all. An extreme nationalism (radical nationalism, chauvinism) is a political orientation though.

[tankistabg]

Originally Posted by Rodozashtitnik

All do respect, mate, but nationalism is not a political orientation. It's a feeling, which means that you love your country but most of all you love your nation and you put them above all. An extreme nationalism (radical nationalism, chauvinism) is a political orientation though.

Well, i can't clearly say which type of nationalist am I but that doesn't really matter. As long as I am racially conscious and I know the responsibility to preserve my nation, than i think im some kind of a nationalist

[Ostrogorski]

well,my political orientation is third position...

I think it combines the best from both right and left position...

conservative parts like nationalism,tradition,religion,monarchy,race awareness etc.

social ideas like social justice,syndicalism,distributism,socialism etc.

neither right nor left or beyond the left and right!it can also be called national-socialism...I've got also great respect toward nationalist,anti-democratic movements between the world wars,like Spanish Phalanx(Promo de Rivera),French action(Maurras),legion of st.Archangel Michael or Iron guard(Corneliu Codreanu),Yugoslav national movement - ZBOR(Dimitrije Ljotic),British union of Fascists(sir Oswald Mosley),Italian Fascism(Mussolini,Papini,D'Anunzio,Evola,Malaparte),German National-socialism(Hitler,Heidegger,Strasser brothers,Karl Schmidt,Jünger) and some traditionalist thinkers like Rene Guenon and Bela Hamvas...

[Caesar Princeps]

Distributism and Socialism are very different things.

As for Italy: I doubt Papini and Malaparte were actually Fascists, while D'Annunzio was Proto-Fascist but was put aside by the regime (Mussolini did not want another Duce beside him), and Evola was definitely not Fascist. He had censorship problems in 1930 and he wrote a book: The Fascism seen from Right.

Seems you are a bit confused...

[Ostrogorski]

Originally Posted by Caesar Princeps

Distributism and Socialism are very different things.

I know...I wrote that because both can be part of various economic views of third position movements...

Originally Posted by Caesar Princeps

As for Italy: I doubt Papini and Malaparte were actually Fascists, while D'Annunzio was Proto-Fascist but was put aside by the regime (Mussolini did not want another Duce beside him), and Evola was definitely not Fascist. He had censorship problems in 1930 and he wrote a book: The Fascism seen from Right.

who can know Fascism better than experienced Italian

they were all Italian nationalists,traditionalists and fighters for social justice,i.e. third position thinkers and that's important...whether they were all actual members of Fascist party,or weren't is of less importance...

[Caesar Princeps]

Ok, I get what you wanted to say, and in fact I condivide most of your ideas. Even so, I think that it is always better to avoid generalizing, even if it could be more complicated.

[NatVox]

Originally Posted by Rodozashtitnik

nationalism is not a political orientation. It's a feeling, which means that you love your country but most of all you love your nation and you put them above all.

In general terms, I agree with that.

However, we must make clear a subtle difference between love for one's country (Patriotism) and love for one's nation (Nationalism). Not that they are not compatible, one the contrary. But each on their own, they can have very different meanings.

An extreme nationalism (radical nationalism, chauvinism) is a political orientation though.

Chauvinism is not a political orientation either. As for what you call "radical nationalism", that is probably jingoism, which is a perversion of Nationalism or of Patriotism.

Jingoism is what you get instead of Nationalism in many Black African countries, in the form of tribalism. Another example of jingoism would be Nordicism or [Nordo-]Germanicism.

[Ederico]

As far as I'm concerned I stick to a defintion of patriotism and nationalism I read in an article by Maltese nationalists. Patriotism is a spirit, a love for one's nation and its heritage and its expression in various field of human activity, while nationalism is merely the political expression of that love.

[Marulus]

Distributism in economy combined with a sort of direct democracy, without the political parties. No "liberal democracy".

[Antikrist]

I’m a follower of Orthodox National Socialism, but also with a stronger touch of cultural rebirth. I believe in the entirety of Nature, where all creatures cooperate in order to survive. Therefore, I’m also very opposed to Ethnopluralism and similar ideas. In my world view, the Lion always stands higher than the antelope. This doesn’t mean the Lion is more “worth” – only that it’s stronger than the antelope. I see the Aryans as a superior Race. We are the Lions.

Also, since I proclaim a rebirth of Indo-European ways, I’d like to stop focusing too much on our own planet. The Aryan curiosity has already explored every corner of Planet Earth. The large and great Universe shall be our new Arena. Thus, I’d like to see a very racial, National Socialist state, with many ideas and visions, plans for the future, and cultural beauty.

[OlafurThors]

I´m a conservative true to the ideals of Edmund Burke the father of conservatism.

Nationalism and national pride are fundamental in conservatism. But I feel I am far from Fascism.

[NatVox]

Originally Posted by OlafurThors

I´m a conservative true to the ideals of Edmund Burke the father of conservatism.

Nationalism and national pride are fundamental in conservatism. But I feel I am far from Fascism.

The discussion has been split and moved to a new thread, here:

The alleged relations between Liberalism, Market Economy, Conservatism, Nationalism

[Theobald]

I describe myself as a Modern Nationalist.

Nationalist because my primary duty and loyalty is to France, and my first and foremost concern is her independence, her integrity, her greatness, her interests.

Modern because I am pragmatic and opposed to dogmatism. To me only the result matters and the end justifies the means; and I don't feel like one single ideology will help France to reach the objectives mentioned above. Which explains why my political views are a mix of many things, fascism and socialism, anti-liberalism, keynesianism, dirigism, protectionnism and pro-Europeanism, populism and elitism, revolutionalism and conservatism, republicanism and authoritarianism, tradition and modernism, secularism and pro-Christianism, against both democracy and totalitarianism, ...
Modern also because, though I respect old French nationalist theories, Monarchism, the Catholic religion, I don't think that they are much adapted to the 2007 world.

I will elaborate later.