Political Orientation

[Frankiz]

Originally Posted by Der Elsasser

I also consider myself as an Alsatian, a Latin, an European and a White.

Jesus-Christ! This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in my all life. Elsass is Germanic, not any Elsassian would say he's latin... I just can't believe you dare write thoses nonsense.
French Nord-Pas-de-Calais belongs to Flanders, Corsica to Italy, Catalunya and Euskadi to the Iberian area, not to France, sorry.

Originally Posted by Der Elsasser

I feel myself near to an Argentinian, an Afrikaner, a White American or an Australian [img]images/smilies/stirpes1/wink0001.gif[/img]
But it's true that we can consider these peoples as European peoples, so... [img]images/smilies/stirpes1/smile001.gif[/img]

Another howl from you! White people from the Americas, Africa or Oceania are not Europeans at all. They have a completely different mentality. It's just that they have European ancestors. I personnally feel closer in terms of culture, mentality and civilization to a Swede, a Spanish and an Ukrainian than to a Québécois, even if we speak more or less the same language.
European ethnic solidarity!!!

[Frankiz]

I voted for Nationalist.
I'm against all forms of socialism, which all come from the French Revolution including the NS which is the Promethean dream. The NS promotes the race, not the nation. Like communism it believes in progress and at paradise on Earth.
Of course I'm against commies.
Man must respect the cosmos and the nature, not try to take the place of God.

[Zyklop]

Originally Posted by Frankiz

The NS promotes the race, not the nation. Like communism it believes in progress and at paradise on Earth.

Bullshit.

[Aeternitas]

The NSDAP Programme would have to say otherwise.

Staatsbürger kann nur sein, wer Volksgenosse ist. Volksgenosse kann nur sein, wer deutschen Blutes ist[...]

Jede weitere Einwanderung Nicht-Deutscher ist zu verhindern. Wir fordern, daß alle Nicht-Deutschen, die seit 2. August 1914 in Deutschland eingewandert sind, sofort zum Verlassen des Reiches gezwungen werden.

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Frankiz

Jesus-Christ! This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in my all life. Elsass is Germanic, not any Elsassian would say he's latin... I just can't believe you dare write thoses nonsense.

It is what I thought, you cannot even stop. So let's go.
I speak a Latin language, my culture is mostly Latin (with a strong Germanic element). Maybe 400 years ago Elsass was totally Germanic, but as I already said you, I live in the present, and currently Elsass is mostly Latin with a strong Germanic element. And now only 40% of the Alsatians speak Alsatian (unfortunately, have to say) while 100% of them speak French.
Not any Alsatian would say he is latin ? I think I know Alsace better than you and lots of people define themselves as Latin and Germanic at the same time, and it's also my opinion.

French Nord-Pas-de-Calais belongs to Flanders, Corsica to Italy, Catalunya and Euskadi to the Iberian area, not to France, sorry.

Yes... In your dreams...

Another howl from you! White people from the Americas, Africa or Oceania are not Europeans at all. They have a completely different mentality. It's just that they have European ancestors. I personnally feel closer in terms of culture, mentality and civilization to a Swede, a Spanish and an Ukrainian than to a Québécois, even if we speak more or less the same language.
European ethnic solidarity!!!

It's just your opinion anyway. You're quite right about Anglo-Saxons (Americans, Canadians, Australians), and I changed my mind about them. But Quebecers kept their French and European heritage, they have more or less the same culture than the French, ... I feel really close to them, but as a Breton nationalist who rejects France, you cannot understand. For Argentinians, I met one of them, and it seems that they consider themselves as "Europeans from South America" (as Afrikaners in Africa), unlike Anglo-Saxons who almost created another civilization.

The NS promotes the race, not the nation. Like communism it believes in progress and at paradise on Earth.

Another howl from you. But Zyklop and Bayerisches Mädchen already answered well to you.

[Lynx]

European Union, or the Former EEC has wisely chosen Brussels and Strasburg to place headquarters. Both are hot spots in Europe, with some indefinitions, doubts, identity problems. Still is impossible to clearly define if Brussels is Wallon or Vlams, or if Strasburg is Français or Deutsch. Any way, EEC or EU has always forced the french side, the Allies side. There's still an "Allies logic" bias on those questions even today.

[Frankiz]

Originally Posted by Der Elsasser

It is what I thought, you cannot even stop. So let's go.
I speak a Latin language, my culture is mostly Latin (with a strong Germanic element). Maybe 400 years ago Elsass was totally Germanic, but as I already said you, I live in the present, and currently Elsass is mostly Latin with a strong Germanic element. And now only 40% of the Alsatians speak Alsatian (unfortunately, have to say) while 100% of them speak French.
Not any Alsatian would say he is latin ? I think I know Alsace better than you and lots of people define themselves as Latin and Germanic at the same time, and it's also my opinion.

France has made those Germans latin people? Well ,you've just given us the evidence France is an artificial State fighting ethnicity. It's true Elsassians are becoming more and more an uprooted people , like all those who are under French rule unfortunately. What frightens me is that you seem to be glad of it.

By the way, 400 years ago you said? No comment, really.

Originally Posted by Der Elsasser

It's just your opinion anyway. You're quite right about Anglo-Saxons (Americans, Canadians, Australians), and I changed my mind about them. But Quebecers kept their French and European heritage, they have more or less the same culture than the French, ... I feel really close to them, but as a Breton nationalist who rejects France, you cannot understand. For Argentinians, I met one of them, and it seems that they consider themselves as "Europeans from South America" (as Afrikaners in Africa), unlike Anglo-Saxons who almost created another civilization.

I know well several Quebecers and Afrikaners and I've lived in their country. They are Americans and Africans. They deeply feel their land are respectively american and african, not european. About Argentinians I couldn't tell you.
About whites from Southern Africa, a distinction must be made between the Afrikaners and the Anglo-saxons. The Afrikaners are descendants of Dutch, German and French protestants who settled there a very long time ago, roughly the same period as the Quebecers, the Acadians, the American WASP settled in the Americas. They completely cut their links with their original lands. The Anglo-saxons who settled in South Africa arrived later and pushed the Afrikaners further north (the big Trek). Nowadays most of them living in Southern Africa have kept a British passport. They feel South African, Zimbabwean (well, not any more!) but the clearly still feel British too. But do they also feel European? not sure, difficult to say... as you said the Anglo-Saxons have their "world".
Anyway, if some kind of black revolution rises in South Africa, all the Anglo-Saxon whites will flee to the British Isles as they did during the Zimbabwe anti-whites events, while the Afrikaners will have no choice but to fight pehaps to death, especially rural and elder people. Younger people will settle in the US or Australia and start a new life as some are already doing. But they would't go to the Nederlands, Germany or France as their land of origin.
Another point : in their mentality, they are not European at all. They react completely differently as they live in a completely different continent with a different culture they made on their own.

[Frankiz]

Originally Posted by Frankiz

France has made those Germans latin people? Well ,you've just given us the evidence France is an artificial State fighting ethnicity. It's true Elsassians are becoming more and more an uprooted people , like all those who are under French rule unfortunately. What frightens me is that you seem to be glad of it.

By the way, 400 years ago you said? No comment, really.

What also frightens me is that in your profile you adopt the Breton Flag which is a nationalist flag created in the 30's by an independantist Breton patriot! The cultural and historical identity of Brittany has to be taken into account just like the Elsassian one, doesn't it? Elsass is germanic, an political association with Germany would be logical to me. But it's the Elsassian who have to decide on that question.
I'm just wondering...perhaps you thought the Breton flag was a latin flag, in that case I excuse you and will be delighted to teach you 2 or 3 things about the Breton culture.

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Frankiz

What also frightens me is that in your profile you adopt the Breton Flag which is a nationalist flag created in the 30's by an independantist Breton patriot!

Well, sometimes I use Irish flag, then the Scottish or the Occitanian ones, I just like the Breton flag, but maybe it is now forbidden by the Nationalist Provisory Breton Governement ?

The cultural and historical identity of Brittany has to be taken into account just like the Elsassian one, doesn't it?

Right.

I'm just wondering...perhaps you thought the Breton flag was a latin flag, in that case I excuse you and will be delighted to teach you 2 or 3 things about the Breton culture.

I know well several Quebecers and Afrikaners and I've lived in their country. They are Americans and Africans. They deeply feel their land are respectively american and african, not european. About Argentinians I couldn't tell you.
About whites from Southern Africa, a distinction must be made between the Afrikaners and the Anglo-saxons. The Afrikaners are descendants of Dutch, German and French protestants who settled there a very long time ago, roughly the same period as the Quebecers, the Acadians, the American WASP settled in the Americas. They completely cut their links with their original lands.

I met an Afrikaner guy when I was in London, and he told me how he felt European (but maybe it was because he was in Europe and not in his country ). I also met some Quebecers, in France and in Montreal, and they said me that they were French in their hearts, although living in America : they were proud of their land, of course, and didn't want to come back to Europe, but culturally felt Europeans. But you lived there, so you know their countries more than me (and I'm a cheeky teenager so... ).

Another point : in their mentality, they are not European at all. They react completely differently as they live in a completely different continent with a different culture they made on their own.

Well, you know, I don't have at all the same mentality than most French and Europeans. Sometimes I feel closer to Iraqis or Palestinians (in terms of values, faith, ...) than to most of my compatriots. Unfortunately.

[Johann Casimir]

Originally Posted by Manji

Perhaps the leader is only a reflection of what the majority is like.....

It was not a mojaority that voted for him; I believe the official numbers are only 50% of the voters voted at all, and 51% of those voted for W; So only around 25% of the population gave W his "Mandate".

Back on topic I put myself as a Monarchist, although I believe in a fairly representative form of Monarchy, more like the form in place at the time of the Thirty Years War than the Victorian (Constitutional) or Medieval (Absolutist) variety; It's sort of a compromise between Constitutional (The Prime Minister/Chancellor is in charge) and Absolutist ("Off with his head"- style totalitarianism).
My ideal in particular takes inspiration from the Holy Roman Empire of the Thirty Years War period, although most european countries at the time had similar government-forms to Germany.
I believe that the strength of a Monarchy is needed, but that the states/provinces of the Nation should have the military and monetary strength to stand up to the King if need be.

[Eriugena]

Some sort of national socialist (notice the lower case) communitarian without the biological racialism.

The premise of biological racialism is a materialist definition of human being. Man is undoubtedly a living being, but his essence cannot be reduced to mere biological determinations. The biological side to man's being can be best described as a necessary condition for human existence, however, it cannot be the sufficient condition.

There was much discussion of this in the NS movement and there was by no means unanimity about the concept of race. I came across this yesterday whilst researching something else.

It comes from the testimony of Ohlendorf, the commander of Einsatzgruppe D, at the Einsatzgruppen Trial describing the nature and function of the Sicherheitsdienst (SD), which was a delberate misnomer to conceal its real function. The SD or 'security service' was actually an internal research body within the Reich Security Main Office (RSHA). Its task was to carry out research on every aspect of Germany and to supply government departments with accurate and rhetoric free assessments of the true situation, warts and all, which made it sometimes unpopular with the recipients of its analyses.

Ohlendorf is talking about the concept of the 'master race':

Q. Let us go to Gottfried Feder.* When was his influence ended in Germany?

A. Already before Hitler assumed power, because when he became under secretary in the Ministry of Agriculture in 1933, this was the last honor which one gave him. Actually he didn't have anything to say in the Agricultural Ministry after 1933, nor did he have any political significance at all.

Q. Very well. He was free of political pressure, and it was he who said that the master race dogma was the emotional founda- [...tion]

http://www.mazal.org/archive/nmt/04/NMT04-T0280.htm

founda...] tion of the Nazi movement. Do you care to comment on that, do you care to comment on the Herrenvolk, the importance of it to the Nazi movement?

A. If you were to know Gottfried Feder you would assume that he arrived at the idea of the master race from his own vanity. Outside of him and Ley and two other people, there was certainly no logic in the leadership for raising this nonsense of the master race. The office for racial politics dealing with such racial problems never represented this theory.

[Agrippa]

I would define myself as a Progressive Collectivist.
Maybe I have some affinities to Fascistoid or NS groups, at least they are what is the nearest thing to my conception.

The Collective is something defined in structures hierachically:

F.e. Family/relatives, Tribe, Folk or Subrace (F.e. German/Nordic), Ethnic great group/Race (F.e. Europeans or Indoeuropeans/European Europids), progressive mankind/races (F.e. all Europids, East Asians, some Amerindian Races many mixed forms), Mankind (all of those + the rest), Ecosystem (all life on this planet).

-Just what is good for the preservation and progression of collective, species and ecosystem should be morally acceptable.

-From an utilitaristic point of view as many people as possible should live good on the highest standard as possible, everytime thinking on the first rule.

-Individuals got their worth on its own but the collective is usually more important because it is made up by many individuals and it survives individuals.

-Capitalism is better than planned economy, at least so far, but just a controlled Capitalism is good for what I said above.

-I'm Pro-Eugenic and for the preservation of my Race(s).
Progression of mankind on the long run isnt just something happening in technology and culture, it must be something biological too.

-All good Traditions of Europe and of my folk which are NOT AGAINST the other rules should be preserved.

-If it is possible (by all useful means which doesnt threat the whole Species or Ecosystem) the European races should be preserved in their SUBSTANCE.

-Moral and the political system should depend on the needs for the other rules.

Maybe I forgot some things, but the basic conception should be clear.

[IrishThirdPosition]

Can we add Third Positionist to this list?

[Faísca]

Originally Posted by IrishThirdPosition

Can we add Third Positionist to this list?

Done.