Political Orientation

[Silas]

For about a year ago I would have said that i was a National Socialist but now im not that sure anymore. I have become interested in other doctrines like those of the FE de las JONS, the Iron Guard(Codreanu), the Arrow cross movement and of course the Fascist movement. I have also "discovered" a Swedish ideology called "Nysvenskhet" and the group behind it, the Nysvenska Rörelsen (The Neo Swedish Movement).

So I would like to call myself a European nationalist.

[Napo]

European Preservational Democracy - Well, if it were to exist. So, I guess my political orientation remain in my own utopian society. I am not sure. I really do not consider myself any of the current political parties around the world as of right now. There are many people who think that National Socialism can be brought back, but only mass Propaganda can bring it back. Joseph Goebbels techniques and power to lure one man in power not fully, but he is underrated.

This democracy would make sure that all these people that have all their arguments constantly can be happy. It might not necessarily have to be a democracy. It is all in what works for preservation the best way.

[NatVox]

Originally Posted by Kvasir

For about a year ago I would have said that i was a National Socialist but now im not that sure anymore.

It is actually a good sign not to stick to the dogmas of one ideology, but being capable to ponder other ideologies and beliefs, and even add from your own harvest.

I am of the opinion that the National Revolutionary doctrines in Europe in the 30s were not given the chance to evolve and were forced to become monolithical as a means to self-defense against the aggressions of democracies. This need for self-defense and introspection is what has pushed them into degenerated forms, like that of nutzis, skinheads and other cyberian and urban fauna.

The only example where there was some degree of evolution was in Fascism with the Republic of Salò. Although this evolution was realized under the strain of the events.

I have become interested in other doctrines like those of the FE de las JONS

There is a substantial difference between what was the Falange of José Antonio Primo de Rivera, and National Syndicalism (JONS) of Ramiro Ledesma. While both merged into one group (under the leadership of a triunvirate), later both leaders clashed and Ramiro left. The asassination of both leaders at a young age prevented further developments. The history of FE de las JONS during the regime of General Franco was that of an involution. It can't be called FE de las JONS anymore.

the Iron Guard(Codreanu), the Arrow cross movement and of course the Fascist movement. I have also "discovered" a Swedish ideology called "Nysvenskhet" and the group behind it, the Nysvenska Rörelsen (The Neo Swedish Movement).

I didn't know there was any such movement in Sweden. It should be interesting to hear about them.


In any case, the general stagnation and death of the National movements in Europe at their infancy gives us room to re-emerge in new evolved forms. The past is there to be studied and to learn from it, but we must look forward to a new future. And more often than not the past can become a burden to move into the future if we are not careful and confuse things.

[NatVox]

Originally Posted by Napoleone Buonaparte

European Preservational Democracy - Well, if it were to exist. So, I guess my political orientation remain in my own utopian society.

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This democracy would make sure that all these people that have all their arguments constantly can be happy. It might not necessarily have to be a democracy. It is all in what works for preservation the best way.

Let's be realistic here. The only way that a Democracy can be a viable system is if it doesn't exist.

Democracy is, in its modern conception, an egalitarian system where one man equals one vote. And that implies that even the lowest life form has the same voice as a well formed and intelligent individual. The results are there for all to see.

Only the Classic Greek Democracy is worth to take into account. And the real name for it should have been Aristocracy, the government of the fittest.

[Silas]

Yes, many of the youths who is in the national movement today call themselves national socialists but they have no idea of what that stands for, and they have no idea of any other nationalist ideas out there.
It´s our duty to continue to revolutionize the sprit of the late twenties and the thirties. One thing we will have to do is get rid of all so called sub cultural tendencies in our movement. Our activists should be "political soldiers" as Derek Holland put it.

I am of the opinion that the National Revolutionary doctrines in Europe in the 30s were not given the chance to evolve and were forced to become monolithical as a means to self-defense against the aggressions of democracies. This need for self-defense and introspection is what has pushed them into degenerated forms, like that of nutzis, skinheads and other cyberian and urban fauna.

The only example where there was some degree of evolution was in Fascism with the Republic of Salò. Although this evolution was realized under the strain of the events.

Okay, maybe you can start up an other tread about the Falange and the JONS, ideological differences, structures in the organizations, the ideological "bases" in the two movements and maybe a longer history about the whole. It´s hard do get some info in English about the FE de las JONS, do you know any good literature in English?

There is a substantial difference between what was the Falange of José Antonio Primo de Rivera, and National Syndicalism (JONS) of Ramiro Ledesma. While both merged into one group (under the leadership of a triunvirate), later both leaders clashed and Ramiro left. The asassination of both leaders at a young age prevented further developments. The history of FE de las JONS during the regime of General Franco was that of an involution. It can't be called FE de las JONS anymore.

Yes, it was created by Per Engdahl in the thirties and it´s an own unique Swedish ideology, but it needs more time to put forward. Maybe I will write about it in some tread soon, I don´t have the time right now im sad to say.
Homepage: http://www.nysvenskarna.nu all in Swedish though.

I didn't know there was any such movement in Sweden. It should be interesting to hear about them.

Wise words!

In any case, the general stagnation and death of the National movements in Europe at their infancy gives us room to re-emerge in new evolved forms. The past is there to be studied and to learn from it, but we must look forward to a new future. And more often than not the past can become a burden to move into the future if we are not careful and confuse things.

[NatVox]

Originally Posted by Kvasir

Yes, many of the youths who is in the national movement today call themselves national socialists but they have no idea of what that stands for, and they have no idea of any other nationalist ideas out there.
It´s our duty to continue to revolutionize the sprit of the late twenties and the thirties.

Well said.

The gap existant between the 20s and 30s and today provides people with the advantage of being able to evolve those ideas and bringing them into modern times without having been polluted through the years. As Ramiro Ledesma once put it, we don't need more new ideologies but a new people.

One thing we will have to do is get rid of all so called sub cultural tendencies in our movement. Our activists should be "political soldiers" as Derek Holland put it.

I see where you are coming from.

Okay, maybe you can start up an other tread about the Falange and the JONS, ideological differences, structures in the organizations, the ideological "bases" in the two movements and maybe a longer history about the whole. It´s hard do get some info in English about the FE de las JONS, do you know any good literature in English?

Not in English, but there is a wealth of texts that I would like to translate and have them on Stirpes:

On Ramiro Ledesma:
http://www.ramiroledesma.com/nrevolucion/
http://www.laconquistadelestado.com/

The issues of La Conquista del Estado, Ledesma's magazine can be found here: http://www.filosofia.org/hem/index.htm, and other magazines like the short-lived El Fascio. Haz Hispano of José Antonio Primo de Rivera. As well as texts from Spanish philosophers of the time of interest, like Giménez Caballero or leading figures like Miguel de Unamuno, Ortega y Gasset, Ramiro de Maeztu and Eugeni D'Ors.

Some friend offered himself to design a library management system in PHP, which could be hosted here too.

There was also a National Syndicalism movement in Portugal, lead by Rolão Preto. I'm not sure how it relates to Ramiro Ledesma's National Syndicalism since the origins of Rolão Preto are in the Integralismo Lusitano, a Traditionalist movement, and influenced by the French Action Française. It would provide an interesting area of research too, though I don't know of any texts produced except for a journal called A Revoluçao.

Yes, it was created by Per Engdahl in the thirties and it´s an own unique Swedish ideology, but it needs more time to put forward. Maybe I will write about it in some tread soon, I don´t have the time right now im sad to say.
Homepage: http://www.nysvenskarna.nu all in Swedish though.

definitely a section here plus a content management system with a search engine would be great for making all these movements and ideologies known to the young ones.

[Aeternitas]

With the world we live in today any nationalist party, organization or person is labelled as a "nazi". It's not surprising that none of these people can make a diffferece between ideologies.

[volkovv]

Nationalist-republican-patriot, hate nazi and comies, suporter of irish republican movement...

[Scáthach]

Irish nationalist only.

[Rusalka]

Just so I voted for something I voted Anarchist. Always been a fan of old Pyotr Kropotkin. Can't go wrong with a beard like that.

[Goswin_van_Eyck]

Anarchist bc I regard every religious, political and economic advancement since the Metal Ages as abhorrent decandence and suppression of spontanious and untainted virtues, character and ethics which lived among our mesolithic ancestors, aristocrats of the soul , socialist gentry, ecologic custodians.

Conservative, not reactionary, to uphold what belongs to Eternity and will always be there even if we're dead and sepulchred. That which is unnamed but guides and mould us, unperishable and the umbellic chord that binds us to our fate and destinity, to our people and their times, but too evasive to grasp with caliphers and rulers, locked for the rational and kynetic mind, the Dame that makes us what we are and can't be else.

[Figlio della Lupa]

I voted fascist though I define myself as both a nationalist and a fascist. I also agree with the previous Italian posters that the ideal government should also help in the preservation of regional identities, however I would add that a development of the national identity should be equal to the preservation of the regional ones.

[Napo]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Let's be realistic here. The only way that a Democracy can be a viable system is if it doesn't exist.

Democracy is, in its modern conception, an egalitarian system where one man equals one vote. And that implies that even the lowest life form has the same voice as a well formed and intelligent individual. The results are there for all to see.

Only the Classic Greek Democracy is worth to take into account. And the real name for it should have been Aristocracy, the government of the fittest.

The only reason why I say this is because all governments fail. Perhaps, I am wrong. Democracies are just mobs of people in line with no intelligence when the system could be based on picking intellectuals. I do not know how that works though. I lost my touch somewhat on govermental process. I only no basics and of course there is a thinker that can create new idea which I have done at times.

[NatVox]

Originally Posted by Napoleone Buonaparte

The only reason why I say this is because all governments fail. Perhaps, I am wrong. Democracies are just mobs of people in line with no intelligence when the system could be based on picking intellectuals.

As a general rule, they are.

I do not know how that works though. I lost my touch somewhat on govermental process. I only no basics and of course there is a thinker that can create new idea which I have done at times.

I wrote this quote from a Spanish National Revolutionary on a post here recently: "we don't need more new ideologies but a new people."

The right ideas are there, but we must know them...
The interprets Nysvenska Rörelsens oldest slogans: “the people's democratisation through the masses' aristocracyation”
[Nysvenska Rörelsen/ the Neo Swedish Movement]
... and then know how to apply them and give them viability.

[eufrenio]

I was going to vote "conservative", but I finally voted for "other".
"Traditionalist/reactionary" defines me far better. To quote Lawrence Auster :

a traditionalist (or a reactionary) is a person who perceives a mortal threat to his society the moment it appears, unlike a conservative, who only perceives the threat after the society is half-destroyed, and unlike a liberal, who only sees the threat after the society is completely destroyed

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/002893.html

In this fast-changing world, only reactionaries can respond quickly and efficiently to the threats to our civilization.