How to preserve Europe?

[Faísca]

What are your thoughts on how the survival of Europe can be guaranteed?

We are currently facing the situation that the birthrate of indigenous Europeans has dropped under the replacement level. Birthrates now deviate between 1.0-1.9 children/woman (or couple). A change of this trend is not in sight.

At the same time, all European states have opened the gates and borders for the mass-immigration of ethnically and racially alien people. The low birthrates of Europeans, combined with the continual immigration of non-Europeans (whose birthrates typically are still significantly higher) will lead to dramatic changes in Europe's demographics within the next few generations, if these trends are not reversed.

Ethnic Europeans could soon, as early as by 2060 in countries like England, become the minority in their own lands. Within five to six generations, Europeans will have lost their majority status everywhere. Additionally, miscegenation will lead to a growing number of people of mixed racial origin. Europe, as we know it today, will no longer exist, and, without having regained a racial consciousness, the last remnants of Europeans might miscegenate themselves into oblivion in the centuries to come.

Which measures do you consider necessary to preserve Europe? (Please check all that apply and elaborate on your thoughts.)

[Scoob]

The essential problem is a European antipathy to manual labor, which is continually solved by importing cheap immigrant labor. This was done even in highly racialized states, such as Nazi Germany (http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/russian.htm).

Asian nations do not have such a problem, and the people seem more willing to do "dirty work" - perhaps because of stronger xenophobic feelings. Japanese have even supplemented their labor force with robots rather than import labor.

[trinacria]

The two most important things for me would have to be

limiting citizenship for persons of European descent not living in Europe

and

Draconian Sentences for Illegal Immigration and Border Crossing (such as long-term Imprisonment and/or the Death Penalty.)

I feel like you can't really say who can marry who, though.

[Siegmund]

One does not allow a stranger to enter one's house. Even more, one does not allow strangers to live in one's house. These simple rules should be applied to nationalities as well.

[Zyklop]

Originally Posted by Scoob

The essential problem is a European antipathy to manual labor, which is continually solved by importing cheap immigrant labor.

This wasn´t caused by antipathy to manual labor. We now have a higher unemployment rate in Germany than that before Hitler came but still our authorities are propagating mass immigration.

[trinacria]

Originally Posted by Siegmund

One does not allow a stranger to enter one's house. Even more, one does not allow strangers to live in one's house. These simple rules should be applied to nationalities as well.

I have to admit I agree with you but I wouldn't mind granting citizenship to people who are of European descent and can prove to be good, upstanding European citizens. Of course, I would make it so you'd have to take a test and know your country of ancestry's history inside and out as well as be proficient in the language before you're even considered.

[Siegmund]

Originally Posted by trinacria

I have to admit I agree with you but I wouldn't mind granting citizenship to people who are of European descent and can prove to be good, upstanding European citizens. Of course, I would make it so you'd have to take a test and know your country of ancestry's history inside and out as well as be proficient in the language before you're even considered.

Yes, good point. In fact, I was thinking along the same lines, hence my use of the term "nationality," in the European sense of "ethnicity."

[Figlio della Lupa]

I voted for all of them except:

6d. No Holiday Permits for non-Europeans. (Tourism is Italy's biggest industry)
6e. Cancelation of Diplomatic Relations with non-European Countries (Impractical)
9. In considerable cases, I could imagine granting permanent residences to a limited number of non-Europeans if they are unable to procreate or promise to forego procreation. (They can still damage our countries in a non-biological way)
10. Other (All the above ideas were good enough )

[Strengthandhonour]

This are all very interesting. The biggest problem in Europe, in my eyes is the negative birth rate. Invaders can be kicked out, but when they could out number you in a few decades it could become a problem which would end in the complete demise of Europe as we have known it up until today. One obviously cannot keep foreigners completely out of the country(embassys would still be required for diplomatic reasons and also trade relationships)
As it was stated, one cannot tell someone who to marry BUT you can make them lose their citizenship,etc if they marry someone different. The entire cheap labor is a worldwide phenomenon, not just something that takes Europe by storm. In many countries worldwide this problem is there, and it's not always countries with an European population but also in central and south america, often people from poorer countries go to the richer ones for jobs.
A huge reform must take place first in order for some of this things to take place, and one also has to remember that there will possibly be oposition if this is to take place.

[Scoob]

Originally Posted by Zyklop

This wasn´t caused by antipathy to manual labor. We now have a higher unemployment rate in Germany than that before Hitler came but still our authorities are propagating mass immigration.

See the hyperlink (http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/russian.htm) , it quotes a letter (translated into English) published in a 1942 party magazine:

"For the last six months my wife has been searching for household assistance to care for my four children and help out with the garden. We have tried and tried, but when the [German] girls hear "four children" they are generally unfortunately no longer interested. Sad but true! At my post here in Russia we hired a [Russian] girl who I decided was the right person for my household."

I am not bringing up this problem to propose mass immigration as a solution, but merely to help clarify some of the root causes of these trends. Aside from the historical notes, such a statement could easily be made by upper-middle class American families right now or 20 years ago. It is the perpetual problem that brought slavery to the USA (along with all its residual problems that damage the nation today).

Somehow having foreign peoples provide manual labor appeals to the European sensibility, but paradoxically, the social effects of importing that labor do not. Just as in the USA, it is European-Americans such as George Bush who want to allow Mexicans to come in and even gain amnestry and citizenship.

[Awar]

First of all, countries should admit that racial issues appear,
and they only appear when two different races live in the same country.

This whole 'crusade against racism' doesn't really mean anything in
a world where there's no mass immigration.

there are no racial tensions between Zimbabwe and Sweden, or China and Serbia,
or Mongolia and Spain, or India vs. Ireland. Only when you put these peoples to exist on the same space, there will be tensions.

No war ever fought in human history had its cause in race. It was either a thing of empires acquiring more assets, or neighbour disputes ( and most of countries in the world border racially and ethnically similar countries ). If anything, blame for war and destruction can more easily be put on similarity rather than difference.

Nothing which can't be explained by economy, powermongering politicians and manipulation. No mythic 'hate' which causes suffering, just the struggle for 'more',
which necessarily breeds manipulation of the masses.

Basically, nothing which can't be applied to the current leverage of power, namely the "strength through diversity" bullshitting strategy.

As for the racial clashes and mixes which take place, somehow it's most usually a thing
which appears en-masse only in the lower social strata.

The ones who make the decisions, the people of the higher strata of society almost never have race-related streetfights, never racemix... they leave all that activity to
the lower classes, and their rich celebrity idols.

The irrelevance of various ethnic gangs and groups like the skinheads in the entire picture is apparent. They will ammount to nothing, whatever happens, whichever path gets chosen, they will forever remain a marginal ( negative ) phenomenon.

The thing about 'Europeans not being willing to do menial jobs' probably has more to do with the fact that importing immigrants who are willing-to-work-for-practically-nothing being a logical choice for employers.

Nobody in their right economic mind would hire a European and pay him a 1000 euros
when he can hire a non-European who can do the same thing for 200 euros.

Chances are that the non-European needs the money to survive, while the European has all the basics covered, and looks for a job to increase his living standard, not merely to survive. When there's no endless supply of immigrants who work for peanuts,
the employers will be forced to hire Europeans, and pay them properly for that.

That's my opinion as far Europe is concerned, just stop immigration, and things will start to look up. Birth-rates fluctuate. Besides, it's not like a few percent of some people more or less can mean death or survival for a sovereign European ethnicity.
It's not the sheer manpower that counts, numbers have never been as important
as intellect.

Perhaps some suburbs of some cities have been taken by this or that non-European population, but, this isn't final... 10 black kids can mug 100 native European kids,
but they can't ammount to what European kids can. Not because of some mysterious racial reasons, but because they live and die in poverty, and can't help it.

The european kid which grows up to be more than his parents were, grows up to be a part of a society which can choose what paths to take to the future, that one kid is
worth more than a million of those who can achieve no more than being feared in the ghetto. Only prerequisite: stop the immigration.

Perhaps the destiny of Europe is set by some shadow contract,
perhaps all Europe needs is a serious political option which doesn't bother itself with marginal issues, but cuts straight to the chase, and works with clear, easily definable goals, and not some abstract reasons or reanimated corpses of past ideologies.

[Zyklop]

Originally Posted by Scoob

See the hyperlink (http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/russian.htm) , it quotes a letter (translated into English) published in a 1942 party magazine:

There was no unemployment during Hitler´s reign. On the contrary, the foreign workers back then really were needed. It can´t be compared to modern times.

[ænginn]

There were a lot of logical, and beneficial options for preserving Europe listed in the poll (many with which I agreed)... But I don't think that preservation should be the essential focus, at present. In it's current state, Europe needs a major overhaul. You can institute a hundred laws, regulations and penalties for violating said laws, but until the mindset of most Europeans change, it will be very difficult to make any real progress. We must not think of an instant solution, for anything worthwile takes time.

Europe is not perfect as it is... So what is the sense in sustaining something that is flawed? It has lost many of it's old world values, ideals and goals and has receeded into a state of degeneracy, as has most of the world. I'm not saying that Europe lies in a state of ruin, but I do feel that it's youth is heading down a path of decadence, nihilism, laziness and a general spirit of unconcern for the future of their people. It's culture is beginning to corrode under the influence of outside sources.

The future of Europe lies in the hands of it's children, and their future generations. Through education, from both traditional schooling, and through parental influence, children can be taught the essential values, morals, skills, etc., for creating and preserving a strong, racially pure, economically stable Europe. We must make them want it, and need it... for anything that is achieved out of sheer will and desire will be far greater than what is attained from duress.

Our children must learn how important it is to ensure the existence of their people. They must know who it is they come from, and why it is worth preserving.

Today's youth generally don't place much value on their history. Everything is about what is "new" and "cool"... They want to be a part of what they percieve as the modern mainstream, and sustenance of their race, culture and values is usually the farthest thing from their minds. They need to feel pride in knowing that they come from generations of warriors, mothers, brilliant thinkers and doers; that they themselves can make an imprint in the future of their people.

Young women need to learn how important it is for them to enter into motherhood... To find a man who is of her same breeding and build a life with him. To know that she was born to bring forth new life into the world and ensure the survival of her race. She should never be taught that it is an option, only that it is a necessity... her duty.

And young men, they must always remember that it is up to them to work hard, to gain strength and knowledge from their forebearers and to always be keeping the best interest of his people in mind and heart.

Material possessions, trends and other insignicancies will fade into nothingness, but as long as it lies in the hearts and minds of her people... Europe will never die... It will only become stronger, and ultimately better, for Europe is only as good as it's people.

[Gil]

I completely concur with all said by Awar. The root of the problem is the existance of different ethnic groups in the same space. But it goes deeper than that, centuries of bickering between europeans have also created historical "hates" between brethren folk (for example, a large portion of Portuguese "hate" the "castillians" which makes neither sense nor is good for our cultural relations).
I think that set quotas are the answer, excluding non-europeans from Europe effectively. I also think that european cooperation can only be for the common good and I see no "evil" in inner-european immigration, if within specific numbers.
For example, the number of Eastern Europeans (from Romania, Ukraine, Kosovo) currently living in Portugal is simply scary. It's neigh impossible to pass by a building under construction without seeing eastern europeans working there, to an extent where "working as a kosovar" means working as a slave for peanuts....

Though I have to admit some Ukrainian and Russian chicks are HOT!

[Ederico]

I selected the following:

1a. Immigration Laws Prohibiting the Immigration of non-Europeans.

2a. Repatriation of (Formerly) Legal non-European Aliens.

2b. Denaturalization (Loss of Citizenship) and Repatriation of non-European Citizens.

3a. Prohibition of Interracial Marriages.

4. Limiting (Future) Citizenship to Persons of European Racial Origin.

5a. Generous Social Aid for European Families with Children (or more than a Certain Number of Children.)

6a. No Right to Asylum for Non-Europeans.

6b. No Study Rights or Temporary Employment Visas for non-Europeans.

6c. No Business Permits or Residence Permits as Financially Independent Persons for Non-Europeans.

7b. Regulation of the Content of the Mass Media (while Guaranteeing the General Right of the Public to Freedom of Expression.)

8. Making Race and Ethnicity a Constitutional Principle or the Foundation of the State.


Obviously passing from supporting such policies to have the political power to implement them is an impressive task. As the Italians say: "tra il dire e il fare c'è di mezzo fare" (literal translation: "between saying and doing there is the sea in between").

I would elaborate on the topic, but it is 1:15AM in Malta and I am reading a very interesting book I wrote. Most of the proposals I voted for can only be implemented when there is a solid political force in Europe, starting by electing Nationalist governments preferably through a coordinated Europe plan to enter the European Union.