How to preserve Europe?

[trinacria]

Originally Posted by Der Elsasser

I voted for :


- Natalist policy (every family must have at least 4 children; 2-3% of increase in population)

That would be a long shot. With the way many European countries' economies and unemployment rates are going, most families couldn't afford that many children. This is ESPECIALLY true in Italy, where we are still struggling with the Euro (I only speak for the south when I say this. Can a northern Italian possibly enlighten me on how the north is doing?)

I wish we could all have 10 children and catch up with China's population!

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by trinacria

I wish we could all have 10 children and catch up with China's population!

Great idea !

With the way many European countries' economies and unemployment rates are going, most families couldn't afford that many children.

There are about 3 million unemployed people in France, and perhaps 9-10 million of non-Europeans. I even think that we'll need workers if one day there is a nationalist state in France. And a natalist policy means, like it is said in the poll : Generous Social Aid for European Families with Children.

[Cristoforo]

5b. Special Taxes, Fees, Social Contributions, etc. for Childless Individuals.

With all due respect, this is a stupid proposal. What if there are people who are physically uncapable of having kids?

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Cristoforo

With all due respect, this is a stupid proposal. What if there are people who are physically uncapable of having kids?

Of course this is not for them.

[Slavjanka]

I voted for all except 3, 6e, and 7.

Option 2: In my opinion one would have to be quite optimistic to suppose that the Moslems would allow themselves to be repatriated just because some Europeans decided so, whereas otherwise one would have to anticipate major civil conflict. In such case repatriation is not the right word…, removal sounds more in place.
As all of you know, the leaders of the EU are presently considering the possibility of assembling a European military force, which is, among other reasons, why they are thinking about (or rather, preparing for) annexing Turkey into the union. Who knows what their plans are if (?) the Turks join, but it’s obvious that they’re looking over the fence, not indoors, so threatening Moslems with forceful repatriation would appear comical - although, some say, the Turks hate Arabs!

Option 3: I think this is needless and even impractical, because prohibiting such choices is a makeshift solution at best. Moreover, I consider such personal matters to be… well, personal. I wouldn’t want the government to dictate my sexual or other preferences, anymore than I would like the government to dictate anything else within the constraints of my personal life. After all, every individual has his own inherent taste.
Fascist governments are the easy solution; with no intention to harm the feelings of those who favour it, I think fascism is, in the long run, an inept regime. An analogous example would be bank robbery: the muggers want to get rich, but are unable to do so through harmonious (yet competitive) interaction with the people whom they want their wealth from, so they use violence. It is simply unethical, and it makes one wonder what it is that we need to save Europe from!
I bet however one can say many negative things concerning liberal values and policies as well; hence I tend to look more toward the middle.

Option 4: Concerning the economic policies - these should be made less liberal by disallowing entrepreneurs exporting jobs to the Third World. This is a sensitive issue nevertheless, because, in case of Europe, these entrepreneurs and other businessmen have the option to emigrate in search of better economic opportunities, which are readily available in America, for example. Such a policy would in all likelihood deprive Europe of much economic potential.

Option 5: I absolutely agree with this point! It would also help very much in countries such as Russia, where we face a considerably more severe birthrate crisis than in the West. The government here doesn’t develop this system for some reason though, which is a pity because it is very sensible.

Warm greetings to everyone from Russia!

[Nadvojvoda Janez Kranjski]

Warm greetings to everyone from Russia!

Welcome.

[SouthernBoy]

I choose all of them except: 6e, 9, and 10. I think that unless the majority of those things happen, Europe will not survive.

[Hyllus]

How to preserve Europe?


Agree EU Constitution

[Strengthandhonour]

Originally Posted by Hyllus

How to preserve Europe?


Agree EU Constitution

quite a comedian you are

[NatVox]

Originally Posted by Hyllus

How to preserve Europe?


Agree EU Constitution

Hyllus, guess what..

1 (a). This is a board for European Nationalists. Views, ideas, and contributions that are opposed to European Nationalism, ethnic, as well as cultural preservation or critical thereof, are not permitted anywhere but in the Camara Obscura forum.

E.U. is radically opposed to Nationalism in Europe, and to the preservation of our identities. Of course it is good for countries like Albania or Turkey to join, and I'm sure that you will find a proper forum.

Now wave good-bye. You are banned.

[Bulair]

Originally Posted by Cristoforo

With all due respect, this is a stupid proposal. What if there are people who are physically uncapable of having kids?

We had such regulations during the communist regime and it isn't a good idea for sure.

[Sokol]

Re: How to preserve Europe?

The answer: we should not keep that Europe which is now. We should build New Europe.


In my opinion, it is obvious. Immigration, small quantity of children is only effect, but it not the reason. What sense to struggle against effects, not destroying the reason?
1. If to look at modern Europe - that it is completely clear, that it is the dead civilization which is not having any future. The death of Europe not is immigration (to tell - intrusion of stange races), death of Europe in those values, outlook, understanding and vision of the world which were imposed to Europe after 1945.
The modern Western civilization is not Europe. If ancestors of modern Europeans lived on those moral standards on which modern Europeans live, they never would construct that magnificent Civilization which successors modern Europeans count themselves. Modern Europe it is dead spiritually and moral and lives while only on inertia because centuries created generations of ancestors. (Speaking about Europe, I speak about Russia though, probably, in Russia the situation is better - people are ready to resist, especially youth)
We should look back around and precisely tell ourselves - we - corpses, and around of us - a civilization of corpses which already nothing will rescue.
2. The sense of our struggle is struggle not simply expelling immigrants. It only the first stage after a victory (I believe in it). After that much more radical revolution - construction of the New Civilization should begin. We should change all - a sight for the world, principles of education of children, symbolics - literally all should be changed. Any trifle.
3. All of you know - a problem still that huge quantity of people of our race are not able to think and look at an event from the racial point of view. That is many our people have transformed in zombie, patients with tolerance and political correctness. Probably, it is a problem of " the senior generation ". Probably, at you, in Europe, in another way, but at us in Russia I very much frequently see, that " old patriots " at all in a condition is correct to estimate a modern situation. And any 15-years a skinhead) all sees and makes correctly.
4. Our NS writer Dmitry Nesterov (the author of the book "skinheads - Russia wakes up") in one interview has told : "Radical problems - radical decisions. We should force to breathe the nation other air". I completely agree with these words.

Probably, you will think, that my words are too arrogant, but it is all I has written very seriously (this not only my opinion - such ideas are characteristic for "young generation" nazis in Russia). At us in Russia people everyone perceive very seriously - if in Russia communism - all world of 70 years is shaked .
And if nazism in Russia- that we shall build the New Civilization. Less global is sad to spend time for something
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[Truth-Finder]

Low natality rate is a dramatic problem in most European nations and in a general way, in populations compossed mainly by europids.

Factors responsible of such situation are, IMO the following:

-Economical: families aim for a better life standards. Hence, they prefear to have less children but offer them better life conditions
-Social: Social roles change. Now both wife and husband have a professional life therefore there are less and less parents who stay home and have little time to spare for rising children
-Ecological: This is the lesser factor maybe, but it has its importance. Up to today only in europid nations (and probably in Japan and China -were natality control policies has been applicated sometimes- aswell) you might found people who feals really concerned by ecological problems including that of OVERPOPULATION. As incredible as it might sound, several families have chosen to not have more than 2 children in the sake of ecological and world overpopulation concerns.
And here we have a big probelm because, if many europeans feel concerned by the overpopulation prospects, is not the case for african, arabs, southern asians and other.
Europeans keep reducing their birth rate for several reasons while in other continents they keep their usual rates, if they do not increase.

My conclusion is that if could be an indirect way of preserving Europe if africans stoped reproducing themselves as rabits

PS: I hope my crudeness won't hurt none.If yes, ps accept my apologizes

[ProHateDebate]

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How to preserve Europe? The answer is simple, but the actions needed to guarantee this are not easy. I believe the time for diplomacy is nearing an end.

[ProHateDebate]

The above link was not accurate. I don't have the ability to edit posts yet, so let me try posting the link again. (correctly this time)

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I could use the support. Thanks

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