Berlusconi attacked by banksters media for being pro Putin and being mediating on Iran

[Kernunnos]

from the Financial Times, following a spate of attacks from El Pais and the Times (i.e. Murdoch).

Think of what kind of ethnicity may correspond ot the surname Blitz.
US and EU focus on Italian premier's performance on the political stage

By James Blitz in London



Published: June 25 2009 03:00 | Last updated: June 25 2009 03:00

Silvio Berlusconi's image will have been badly damaged by the spate of stories over his alleged links with models and starlets, writes James Blitz in London . But for western governments, the critical question is not what the Italian prime minister does in his private life but whether he can help solve the pressing problems facing the US and European Union.


For the Obama administration in the US, Mr Berlusconi is a leader with whom some business has to be done. Italy, unlike some states in the Nato alliance, firmly supports the international mission in Afghanistan and has no intention of withdrawing its 2,350 troops. Mr Berlusconi has also became one of the first EU leaders to pledge his country will take inmates from the Guantánamo Bay detention centre. But president Barack Obama is clearly far less keen on Mr Berlusconi than George W. Bush, his predecessor, was.


Mr Berlusconi's declining influence is not entirely his fault. "The fundamental shift in Europe in the last two years is that France and Germany now have very pro-US governments," says one western diplomat. "That means Italy matters less to the White House."
However, some of Mr Berlusconi's actions have made him a difficult ally.



One issue, say western officials, is Mr Berlusconi's decision to sign a deal with Russia to speed up the new South Stream gas link to Europe. Russia is building the link in competition with the western-backed Nabucco pipeline, which aims to bring gas from Central Asia and the Caspian to Europe and ease dependence on Russian gas. "Berlusconi's support for [Russian premier Vladimir] Putin on this is causing a lot of anger in Washington and Brussels," an EU diplomat said. (i.e. Italy must remain a total vassal sinking along with US power ..)


Italy also infuriated Britain this year by trying to establish a diplomatic dialogue with Iran. (yes, for showing some common sense and diplomatic ability !)


Mr Berlusconi's next big challenge is July's G8 summit in L'Aquila, with his decision to greet leaders in a city recently hit by an earthquake causing nervousness in world capitals.

[ElDesmadre]

Originally Posted by Kernunnos

One issue, say western officials, is Mr Berlusconi's decision to sign a deal with Russia to speed up the new South Stream gas link to Europe. Russia is building the link in competition with the western-backed Nabucco pipeline, which aims to bring gas from Central Asia and the Caspian to Europe and ease dependence on Russian gas. "Berlusconi's support for [Russian premier Vladimir] Putin on this is causing a lot of anger in Washington and Brussels," an EU diplomat said. (i.e. Italy must remain a total vassal sinking along with US power ..)

I don't believe it is in Italy's interest to work against the diversification of earth gas suppliers. It may be in Berlusconi's personal interest though.

[Kernunnos]

Originally Posted by ElDesmadre

I don't believe it is in Italy's interest to work against the diversification of earth gas suppliers. It may be in Berlusconi's personal interest though.

I understand your concerns regarding your recent past but you should also consider that we are fast approaching a one world government under the US, with a freemasonic framework of fake non-morality and freedom of movement to anywhere on earth for anybody, under the aegis of the Wall Street and City bankers.

It took also a bit for us to understand it but America is teh greta enslaver of european peoples, possibly Russia will be a savior.

maybe at a price, but we will be able to stop and possiblyr everse non-european immigration, if gloablisation, which is a product of teh forces behind the edification of teh US universalism and imperialism, will stop once and for all.

Betetr under a Putin than an Obama, with his bretheren taking over european town: already we see families aopf africans with their ant-like kids swarming thorugh our towns with a satisfied gaze and an happy pace.

[Crvena zvezda]

One issue, say western officials, is Mr Berlusconi's decision to sign a deal with Russia to speed up the new South Stream gas link to Europe. Russia is building the link in competition with the western-backed Nabucco pipeline, which aims to bring gas from Central Asia and the Caspian to Europe and ease dependence on Russian gas. "Berlusconi's support for [Russian premier Vladimir] Putin on this is causing a lot of anger in Washington and Brussels," an EU diplomat said. (i.e. Italy must remain a total vassal sinking along with US power ..)

The whole Nabucco vs. South Stream issue reminds me of the hysterical reactions when African states like Ethiopia, DRC, Angola signed huge contracts with China on mineral explotiation.

The Chuinese are ready to build the infrastructure right away the west reacts hysterically condemming it and then does nothing when people point out that the west had 30 years to do what China is promising to do in 5.

Nabucco and South Stream are nothing new. Plans for them existed since the early 90s. While Russia has shown incentive to build now when the cost is lower the EU has reacted hysterically, further delayed the project [even dropping it as a priority] and thinking the project will start again if they promise the Russians a minor 25% stake in the project.

These idiots complain about South Stream, yet just a few years ago every Central Asian and Caspain state was ready to supply it but instead the EU delayed the projects and they decided to turn to Russia who just went ahead with no delays.

[Kernunnos]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

The whole Nabucco vs. South Stream issue reminds me of the hysterical reactions when African states like Ethiopia, DRC, Angola signed huge contracts with China on mineral explotiation.

The Chuinese are ready to build the infrastructure right away the west reacts hysterically condemming it and then does nothing when people point out that the west had 30 years to do what China is promising to do in 5.

Nabucco and South Stream are nothing new. Plans for them existed since the early 90s. While Russia has shown incentive to build now when the cost is lower the EU has reacted hysterically, further delayed the project [even dropping it as a priority] and thinking the project will start again if they promise the Russians a minor 25% stake in the project.

These idiots complain about South Stream, yet just a few years ago every Central Asian and Caspain state was ready to supply it but instead the EU delayed the projects and they decided to turn to Russia who just went ahead with no delays.

If the reason it si not soo strategic, it happens likely because a state like Italy is allowed only to parrot its masters' will.

When Berlusconi finally met Obama the latter had a very cold and I would also say hateful expression on his face.

Some hard core but really independent leftist commentators have pointed out that the anglo-american power system is ready to kill Berlusconi in character or it coudl be even physically.

[ElDesmadre]

Originally Posted by Kernunnos

I understand your concerns regarding your recent past but you should also consider that we are fast approaching a one world government under the US, with a freemasonic framework of fake non-morality and freedom of movement to anywhere on earth for anybody, under the aegis of the Wall Street and City bankers.

It took also a bit for us to understand it but America is teh greta enslaver of european peoples, possibly Russia will be a savior.

maybe at a price, but we will be able to stop and possiblyr everse non-european immigration, if gloablisation, which is a product of teh forces behind the edification of teh US universalism and imperialism, will stop once and for all.

Betetr under a Putin than an Obama, with his bretheren taking over european town: already we see families aopf africans with their ant-like kids swarming thorugh our towns with a satisfied gaze and an happy pace.

I don't really see the difference between American imperialism and Gazprom imperialism? It is like the choice between cholera and smallpox. One shouldn't look for salvation from the other one when suffering from the first.
Obama and Putin are both to be loathed.

Russia was the saviour for some European peoples in the XIXth century as it stood up firmly against the Ottomans, but today's Russia is not the same as 150 years ago. The US are ruled by a greedy immoral elite but Gazprom is also made of a greedy immoral elite seeking to enslave other peoples.
I think it is irrational to expect from Gazprom that it has planned a recovery strategy for the dying European nations. Or that it is even concerned about it as a matter of fact.

My point is that every country should have numerous suppliers of vital resources, diversification is the key to sovereignty.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by ElDesmadre

I don't really see the difference between American imperialism and Gazprom imperialism? It is like the choice between cholera and smallpox. One shouldn't look for salvation from the other one when suffering from the first.
Obama and Putin are both to be loathed.

Russia was the saviour for some European peoples in the XIXth century as it stood up firmly against the Ottomans, but today's Russia is not the same as 150 years ago. The US are ruled by a greedy immoral elite but Gazprom is also made of a greedy immoral elite seeking to enslave other peoples.
I think it is irrational to expect from Gazprom that it has planned a recovery strategy for the dying European nations. Or that it is even concerned about it as a matter of fact.

My point is that every country should have numerous suppliers of vital resources, diversification is the key to sovereignty.

U.S. imperialsim = Global domination, often lead by lobbyists of Christian Zionist doomsday cults

Gazprom imperialism = Localized [destroying Brzezinski's "Grand Chessboard"] and to make money

[ElDesmadre]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

U.S. imperialsim = Global domination, often lead by lobbyists of Christian Zionist doomsday cults

Gazprom imperialism = Localized [destroying Brzezinski's "Grand Chessboard"] and to make money

Imperialism is still imperialism, no matter what the driving motive behind it is.