Is le Pen playing purposedly in the hands of the System?

[Kernunnos]

Dieudonné, Faurisson and... Le Pen

By Tiberge

Created 2008-12-29 11:22



The comedian and professional anti-Semite Dieudonné M'Bala M'Bala (left), who is currently performing at the Zénith Theatre in Paris, invited onto the stage to join him one Robert Faurisson, noted French Holocaust denier. This happened while Jean-Marie Le Pen was in the audience.

If this doesn't bring the Front National to an end, nothing will. I would almost venture to guess that Le Pen is doing this deliberately to sink his party so that no one, not even his daughter Marine, will ever take the reins of what he must consider his own private possession.

Such an event must be regarded in several different ways, simultaneously. First, Dieudonné derives intense pleasure from throwing the sh.. on the fan.

He has learned that Jew-hatred is a thriving industry, that he attracts a public who calls him their hero, that he opens old wounds, and that, through the ruse of claiming he has been denied his right of freedom of speech, he wins support among people who are opposed to France's laws against Holocaust denial.

The trouble is: these laws are very much part of the problem.

You cannot privilege one group by mandating that it is a crime punishable by fines and prison terms to deny the evil that was done to them.

Such laws are no different from affirmative action laws, and laws against all forms of discrimination such as those passed by the European Union.

They create precisely the opposite of what they are supposed to do, i.e., they create hatred of the privileged party, they throw together into the same pot various social problems, ideas, and historical facts that should be kept separate and treated differently, because they are different.

For example, anti-Semitism and hostility towards massive immigration not the same thing. They are not the same hostility. But the great equalizing machine that is Sarkozy's government must make ALL hostilities seem equally bad, because he is unable to make distinctions between them. (I would say he doesn't want to. K.)

To do so would be to admit that the huge population of people who are not white, Christian and European are not necessarily all equal. He must prove that they are, in fact, all equally, victims of the evil white Christian European.

Second, by having Le Pen in the audience, it is the ENTIRE patriotic movement, the entire effort to save France that is discredited. Le Pen is not discredited – he DOESN'T CARE!!!

There is no need to concern ourselves with HIS image, but rather with the image and ultimate fate of the movement of which he claims to be a part, but of which he is not (and apparently never has been) anything but an impostor. (isn't he a Mason? K.)

Third, this gives racist-hunters like Nicolas Sarkozy grist for their mill. Dedicated as he is to ridding French soil of all racism, he and his ministers will point to Dieudonné's provocation as a shameful, inadmissible, unacceptable, act of racism that has no place in France.

This will serve his purpose very well and will furnish him with an infallible pretext for sending HALDE or MRAP or whatever anti-racist organizations he chooses to track down every measly Holocaust denier he can ferret out.

The media will have a field day pointing to the evils of the "extreme Right", due to Le Pen's presence, even though, according to the French blogger François Desouche anyway, Faurisson is a left-winger. (Note: The websites regard Faurisson as a right-winger. According to Wikipedia, he claims to be apolitical.)

The Jews of France will probably not understand the complexities of this situation, choosing to see only the anti-Semitism of the "extreme Right", blind to the insidious way their history is being manipulated and exploited for the purpose of intimidating, terrorizing, and mongrelizing the French people. (I couldn't agree more on this. However I suspect that if many of them will be all too happy to see the old white man gone forever there are others that are starting to worry about who will take his place, most liley a mongrelized leftist islamist blaming his faults on others, with Europe as sort of big Venezuela. K.).

Blind, too, to the dangers they will confront if they don't rethink their own instinctual reaction of identifying more closely with non-assimilable immigrants than with French patriots, of preferring to side with the Left or with Sarko's false Right than with authentic nationalists and traditionalists.

This is a problem they have, but they are certainly not alone; and when one sees the ways in which the waters are muddied by celebrity policy-makers such as Dieudonné, and public opinion formed by relentless government propaganda, not to mention the inferior education being offered today, it is not surprising that things have reached this level of inextricability.

This incident itself hopefully will pass quickly into oblivion, its principal actors as well, but the processes described above will go on, until France gets a worthy leader, which will not be, as far as anyone can tell, in the near future.

François Desouche had to close comments for the post because of the legal considerations I alluded to. Some of his readers must have defended Dieudonné's right to express himself freely about the Holocaust.

However to post such comments places Desouche in a vulnerable position where his website could be shut down for violating French laws. This is what I mean when I say these laws are not doing anybody, except the "thought police", any good.

The post includes a video of Dieudonné on stage.

French readers may have an easier time than I did understanding it. There are various versions of the video all over the French blogosphere.



This one is more audible and shows the arrival of Faurisson on the stage as Dieudonné energetically encourages the audience to applaud.

An aura of weird ritual emanates from the entire scene as this old man justifies himself to an audience of primarily young people, most of whom (one assumes) have no idea who he is. It's all very creepy.

[3rdEye]

Anything including no thing at all is grist for the mill of Nicolas Sarkozy and others. They will fabricate their neurolinguistic political themes almost regardless of what Jean-Marie le Pen does. Is le Pen playing in the hands of the system? I do not think so. So much asking about the real motive - well, what is the motive behind an article like this one?

[Kernunnos]

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Originally Posted by 3rdEye

Anything including no thing at all is grist for the mill of Nicolas Sarkozy and others. They will fabricate their neurolinguistic political themes almost regardless of what Jean-Marie le Pen does. Is le Pen playing in the hands of the system? I do not think so. So much asking about the real motive - well, what is the motive behind an article like this one?

I'm afraid it is just a tragic scene what we have seen, this Dieudonne is smart, he is just making the right that could be a problem for him and his folk ridicule and the target of the Masonic ruling System, and with the blessing of teh press.

Also, he might also be trying to enlist the neo-nazi right in the field of islamists, who would be just adapting to the presence of North African and african in the name of a common enemy, the Jew.

Smart move from both perspectives, that is, and quite tragic as it brings division in the field of the preservationists of our heritage.

[Jacob Le Bin]

There is no need to concern ourselves with HIS image, but rather with the image and ultimate fate of the movement of which he claims to be a part, but of which he is not (and apparently never has been) anything but an impostor.

Who's image? Le Pen's or Dieudonné's?

(isn't he a Mason? K.)

Le Pen? Please excuse me if I laugh at this question.

Originally Posted by Kernunnos

Also, he might also be trying to enlist the neo-nazi right in teh field of islamists, who would be just adapting to the presence of North African and african in teh anme of a common enemy, the Jew.

First of all, there is no Nazi right in France, fortunately. And there is no Islamist movement either.

Smart move from both perspectives, that is, and quite targic as it brings division in the field of the preservationists of our heritage.

François Desouche says loads of non sense in his blog. The guy hasn't understood that he is an objective ally of Brussels with his obsession of the Jacobin French state.

The perverted game of the alliance of pseudo-preservationnist/regionalists and Brussels will stuck the nation-states between the anvil and the hammer. If nation-states finally are dislocated, preservationnist traitors will have done the job of EUniformisation themselves.

Believe me, if "Padanian", Flemish, Catalonian and Basque separatist movements exist in Europe, it's because Eurocrats want to.



PS: here is a much better video of Dieudonné & Faurisson.

[Marcus Marulus]

To me this looks a bit ridiculous. I mean, what is the whole fuss about anyway? Why is Tiberge so upset? Mr. Le Pen was in the audience, one among 5000 people who attended Dieudonné's show. He did not participate in the show himself.

This Dieudonné (judging from a few videos Savorgnan sent me) looks like a comedian-provocateur, in the frame of which the "prize" he awarded to Faurisson has to be understood. Or maybe I am mistaken and Dieudonné is some deadly serious political activist?

[Kernunnos]

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

Who's image? Le Pen's or Dieudonné's?

Le Pen? Please excuse me if I laugh at this question.

can you elaborate?


First of all, there is no Nazi right in France, fortunately. And there is no Islamist movement either.

hm, Le Pen is notorius for having used Holocaust denying expressions, which is either a non intelligent political move or a suicidal act. Exactly why we don't like to engage ourselves in Revisionism ...


François Desouche says loads of non sense in his blog. The guy hasn't understood that he is an objective ally of Brussels with his obsession of the Jacobin French state.

The Brusselsjournal is devoted to demolsih the EU mithology ....

The perverted game of the alliance of pseudo-preservationnist/regionalists and Brussels will stuck the nation-states between the anvil and the hammer. If nation-states finally are dislocated, preservationnist traitors will have done the job of EUniformisation themselves.

Believe me, if "Padanian", Flemish, Catalonian and Basque separatist movements exist in Europe, it's because Eurocrats want to.


Well, most of this movements oppose EU. Bossi spoke in front of US of that Merchants and Masons of Eu just before elections. Vlaams Blok also is seen as an enemy by Bruxelles.


PS: here is a much better video of Dieudonné's speech with Faurisson.

[Jacob Le Bin]

Originally Posted by Kernunnos

can you elaborate?

No need to: he's not a Mason. 100% sure.

hm, Le Pen is notorius for having used Holocaust denying expressions, which is either a non intelligent political move or a suicidal act. Exactly why we don't like to engage ourselves in Revisionism ...

He never denied the Holocaust, he just said that the gas chambers were a "detail". He meant by that that either you kill people by bullets, starvation or gas, it's only a detail.

The Brusselsjournal is devoted to demolsih the EU mithology ...

I was speaking of Desouche and all French regionalist/volkish people. I don't doubt their sincerity, but they still play Brussel's game by fighting for regional identities. They don't understand that the only thing that can protect the people from the mondialist tsunami is a strong nation-state.

Well, most of this movements oppose EU. Bossi spoke in front of US of that Merchants and Masons of Eu just before elections. Vlaams Blok also is seen as an enemy by Bruxelles.

Again, the only thing that can oppose the EU is strong nation-states. I'm not saying that the Italian state is doing a good job, but Bossi would do anything to destroy it.

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

Again, the only thing that can oppose the EU is strong nation-states.

The only thing that can oppose the EU, is the lack of participation and opposition from the members of the EU. No matter the nature of their state.

But that does not replace the EU. There are foreign powers that are greater than any European nation-state. Only state confederation can replace the EU, or alternatively other state unions like the EU.

[Jacob Le Bin]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

The only thing that can oppose the EU, is the lack of participation and opposition from the members of the EU. No matter the nature of their state.

A balkanized Europe is zero chance to oppose the EU.

But that does not replace the EU. There are foreign powers that are greater than any European nation-state.

Who cares? It's not a competition of who has the biggest d*ck.

I remember Valéry Giscard d'Estaing, the destructor of France, the father of the European Constition treaty, using such arguments. "European nation-states are too small. They have the size of US states. They will be swallowed by geopolitical giants". He was right, in a way: European nation-states are currently destroyed by the EU.

Only state confederation can replace the EU, or alternatively other state unions like the EU.

No. No more supranational state. If some states want other kind of associations, that's their problem.

But I don't see why all European countries should be part of it: simply because we are located on the same Eurasiatic peninsula?

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

Who cares? It's not a competition of who has the biggest d*ck.

I remember Valéry Giscard d'Estaing, the destructor of France, the father of the European Constition treaty, using such arguments. "European nation-states are too small. They have the size of US states. They will be swallowed by geopolitical giants". He was right, in a way: European nation-states are currently destroyed by the EU.

Some of the reasons for creating some kind of European cooperation were legitimate. But those, to the contrary, pertained mostly to the strong and big nation-states of Europe, and not the small ones. At least if you study the historical aspect of it. That doesn't justify the end product, though.

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

But I don't see why all European countries should be part of it: simply because we are located on the same Eurasiatic peninsula?

If you summarise Europe as just a "Eurasiatic peninsula" with nothing more to be added, then that is a great ignorance of the geocultural and geopolitical reality.

[Jacob Le Bin]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

Some of the reasons for creating some kind of European cooperation were legitimate.

Stop using hollow sentences. What are you talking about? What are those "legitimate reasons"?

But those, to the contrary, pertained mostly to the strong and big nation-states of Europe, and not the small ones. At least if you study the historical aspect of it. That doesn't justify the end product, though.

The idea of a supranational state is nocive. Of course, there are still millions of people who pretend that they have a better version of it. But they are wrong, there is no better version.

Now let's get rid of supranational non-sense, and let's get back to plain sovereignty.

If you summarise Europe as just a "Eurasiatic peninsula" with nothing more to be added, then that is a great ignorance of the geocultural and geopolitical reality.

And what would be this "added" magical ingredient that distinguish the "Chosen European" from the barbarians?

I have nothing in common with non-Romance Europeans, except the color of my skin perhaps.

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

Stop using hollow concepts. What are the "legitimate reasons" that you are talking about?

Well, reasons that precede the existence of the EU. Like, the politics of specific economical needs for basic trade and transportation between European countries.

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

And what would be this "added" thing?

There is no one answer to this, and I'm not prepared to give any one answer to it, since I am not sure what my opinion is. Any serious debate of it, could continue in a thread of its own.

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

I have nothing in common with non-Romance Europeans, sorry.

You could say you have not much in common, I would understand it. But to say absolutely nothing is in my eyes a blatant exaggeration that can't be taken seriously.

[Jacob Le Bin]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

Well, reasons that precede the existence of the EU. Like, the politics of specific economical needs for basic trade and transportation between European countries.

So, before the EU, before the Euro, there wasn't any trade and transportation between European countries?

Currently, how can any trade between Europe and Russia, Africa, Asia and the Americas be possible? After all, all those continents are not integrated in a wider global union, under a global currency.

You could say you have not much in common, I would understand it. But to say absolutely nothing is in my eyes a blatant exaggeration that can't be taken seriously.

By mentioning the Romance peoples, I introduced a nuance in my exaggeration.

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

So, before the EU, before the Euro, there wasn't any trade and transportation between European countries?

My point was that before EU, joint European supranational entities started out with economical aims, for economical integration. Look up the European Coal and Steel Community or European Economic Community.

[Jacob Le Bin]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

My point was that before EU, joint European supranational entities started out with economical aims, for economical integration. Look up the European Coal and Steel Community or European Economic Community.

Jean Monnet and Robert Schuman's creation. The first step towards the EU.

Even if we can still state that economical integration is not equivalent to political integration, interdependence is intoxicating, it is a bad habit.

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by Savorgnan

Jean Monnet and Robert Schuman's creation. The first step towards the EU.

Even if we can still state that economical integration is not equivalent to political integration, interdependence is intoxicating, it is a bad habit.

Indeed, but some of the concrete cases the need for initial economical cooperation started out with, was not illegitimate. Rather, the end product (powerful supranational entities not vouched by the people) was.

[Carnyx]

The comedian and professional anti-Semite Dieudonné M'Bala M'Bala (left)

Lol Alright. All is said. What's the source of this article? The BJ?

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Marcus Marulus

Mr. Le Pen was in the audience, one among 5000 people who attended Dieudonné's show. He did not participate in the show himself.

Right, the sole presence of Le Pen in the audience means nothing at all as long as we do not know on which purpose he went to watch the play (just for amusement? to know what was it about in order to be able to say if he dissaproved or approved the arguments of Dieudonné?...) and specially as long as we do not know what did he think of the play

[Carnyx]

Certainly no one knew Robert Faurisson would be onto the stage that night, but to assume Le Pen was only there to have a good laugh is naive.