Movements with potential and credibility

[Routasydän]

The topic is quite self-explanatory. I wish to discuss with you, fellow Stirpesians, the different movements of our continent. It is incredibly hard, it seems, to find a movement that one can stand behind 100%, since many have sinister sides to them that one would rather not be associated with.

That's why I'd like to hear from you which European movements/parties/organizations you find the most sound ideologically, politically credible and generally aligned to your own views. They don't have to be movements from your own country and you don't have to support them 100%, as long as you see them as positive for the nationalist scene as a whole.

I look forward to your replies.

[Lutiferre]

Patriot.nu

Thats certainly a candidate

[Kalevi]

Don't know how many closet-Nazis are involved, but I'll nominate Vlaams Belang and Flemish Nationalism. The possibility of dissolving the prime role model of EU-integration to the benefit of Ethno-Nationalism is delicious.

[svin]

I can't name any credible organization in Russia, because there are no such. I support some views of several Russian bloggers that post their views on politics/nationalism and that's all.

As for Europe I think Vlaams Belang. And maybe NPD in Germany? I hope neo-nazis wouldn't ruin them.

Btw, the topic is very interesting, at least to me.

[Weltschmerz]

National Democrats (Nationaldemokraterna) in Sweden are quite credible, and the term movement is actually rather fitting for them, since they work on so many different levels and in so many different ways, and still they maintain a decent ideology with all these efforts. Some examples of what they're up to:

-Preschools for Swedish children. There are specific rules for preschools and the approach they use is simply to conform to the requirements. There is sufficient demand for the project, and so, unless the authorities decide to break their own laws, this project will soon become a reality.

-A newspaper that they are trying to get governmental funding for. They will get it as soon as they meet all the criteria, and the number of subscriptions seems to be the critical issue.

-Watching the watchmen: They recently reported some Swedish schools who broke the constitutional law in not admitting the youth organisation to have info sessions in the schools like any other party. They also report the authorities on racism, discrimination etc. The next example might seem odd, but their consequence and persistence might come across sooner or later: The authority named Center against Racism officially complained that a traditional Massai dance show at a wildlife park "creates an image of Africans as something primitive". ND reported this as the racist statement it was, and since they are ethnopluralist, it was actually a way for them to get their own message across. Another example, they also reported the authorities for allowing a care facility for elderly Jewish, while ethnic Swedes are denied not only such facilities, but were also legally deprived of their ethnic rights in toto in 1997.

And then of course, they participate in elections, and have been on a steady increase, although the support is still small. They are represented in a few communes, where they work actively to influence local policy. In the last election for the parliament, they became the 14th greatest party with 3064 votes (0,06%). There are seven parties in parliament at the present and there is a 4% threshold to get in. The 8th party with 2,93% is a populist restricted immigration and assimilationist party, from which ND originally split off when they took an even more populist turn, as late as 2001. With that in mind, ND are doing rather well.

[Kalevi]

Originally Posted by Degenuicide

The question is how much it matters, the level of Neo-Nazi-ness of the individual movements.

A would-be-successfull political movement needs the middle-class. The middle-class is mainly interested in their daily economic and social affairs, and being associated with a neo-Nazi organization is not first on their to-do list.

Also, we don't need a unified movement, we need a change in the ideological atmosphere. That change is hard to achieve with a neo-Nazi ballast.

[Berrocscir]

Though still small at this time, I think the English Democrats - English Democrats Party Campaigning for an English Parliament. We are the only national party to do so. have some potential in the coming years due to their civic-nationalist message and the way they exploit how the English are ofteb perceived as the losers of the union. I'm not a member, don't agree 100% but I might possibly vote for them some time.

[Routasydän]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

Patriot.nu

Thats certainly a candidate

Rather infantile and Hitlerian, imo.

I agree with your views on Vlaams Belang, and I'm also impressed with the counter culture that has been created in Germany by NPD, mostly. The Volksfront looks strong.

Also, the Nationaldemokraterna are a movement I've been following with delight. Radical, yet not reverting to infantile illusionism like the NSF, SMR and many other Swedish organizations that lack credibility.

What about Italy?

[Silas]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

Patriot.nu

Thats certainly a candidate

No they are not. They are a little fanatical nutiz sect.

Originally Posted by wilpuri

What about Italy?

When it comes to the Italian movement then MS-Fiamma Tricolore is my favorites. :: Fiamma Tricolore :: Sito ufficiale :: Home Page

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by Silas

No they are not. They are a little fanatical nutiz sect.

Really? I dont know them that well, but from what I've heard they are pretty decent.

[Silas]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

Really? I dont know them that well, but from what I've heard they are pretty decent.

What have you heard?

[Lutiferre]

That they are a legitimate nationalist movement without negative connotations, such as advocacy of Neo-Nazism.

[Silas]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

That they are a legitimate nationalist movement without negative connotations, such as advocacy of Neo-Nazism.

Okay, but that is unfortunately very untrue, if there are any "Neo-Nazis" it´s these guys. Small and vicious are they. =/

[Routasydän]

Originally Posted by Silas

Okay, but that is unfortunately very untrue, if there are any "Neo-Nazis" it´s these guys. Small and vicious are they. =/

Not to mention that their silly kamporganisation-antics are more of a display of immature illusions of heroic grandeur. True aryan warriors.

[Kernunnos]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

That they are a legitimate nationalist movement without negative connotations, such as advocacy of Neo-Nazism.

I cannot read your northern idioms but the emblem they use on their flag is rather self explanatory.

Anyway the game would be to act like national liberation fronts for european ethnicities, not like white supremacists.

As the africans expelled the european settlers at the end of colonialism we just want to do the same, without having genocide - supremacist intentions.

[Martín Zalacaín]

To me, the most respectable political movement nowadays in Spain would be España 2000. They are a preferentialist (their slogan is "Spaniards First") and anti-immigration political party. They label themselves as "social-patriots". Actually, they are devoid of any ideological complexities. They exist just to give voice to those who are concerned about the immigration tsunami we are enduring in Spain and about the loss of our identity.

Currently they are strong in the area of Valencia, with to councillors. We'll see how they do in the next elections (spring 2008).