nationalism and intellectuals.

[lunulae]

okay, this might sound silly, but in this thread we namedrop the right-wing intellectuals (and discuss their theories) that support nationalism (or related ideologies, though not totalitarian misconceptions like fascism and nazism, which has nothing to do with genuine nationalism).
i will start:

ida magli (mentioned in 'thoughts on nationalism'). she is professor emeritus in cultural anthropology at the university of rome.

roger scruton. british intellectual with a ph. d in philosophy.

alain de benoist. leader of the nouevelle droite (new right in france). studied law, philosophy, sociology, and the history of religions at the sorbonne.

it is possible to consider intellectuals like friedrich hayek, milton friedman, john n. gray etcetera as supporters of a similar ideologi, but it is a seemingly unstable thought.

now start namedropping!

[Menydh]

Sorry but.. how would you even consider liberals who advocated free marketeering, like Milton Friedman and Friedrich Hayek, as possible candidates to the title of nationalist intellectuals?

[lunulae]

because i regard some of their theories as touching the base of nationalism (or at least is opposed to leftists). sorry for the inconvenience, but i believe you're right. don't focus on that, just namedrop and write a little comment about the person.

[Menydh]

Alright then.

Ortega y Gasset, Spanish philosopher. Best known for his work La rebelión de las masas (The Revolt of the Masses), but in Spain also for his España invertebrada (Invertebrate Spain).

Baron Julius Evola, Italian thinker and a prolific writer. Of his books, some of the best known are Rivolta contro il mondo moderno (Revolt Against the Modern World), Sintesi di dottrina della razza (Synthesis of the Doctrine of Race), and Gli uomini e le rovine (Men Among the Ruins).

Oswald Spengler, German historian and philosopher who wrote Der Untergang des Abendlandes (The Decline of the West) and Jahre der Entscheidung (The Hour of Decission? Not sure, the Spanish version translates as "Decissive Years").

[lunulae]

is that really all? hm.

i know that e.m. cioran and mircea eliade were supporters of the nationalistic movement in romania, the iron guard, but later in their lives they denied it, i think.

[Sergius]

Yes, Cioran's works were pretty much anti-everything, to sum it up.

How about Søren Krarup? I find it hard to look past his current political involvement, but he has written a lot, also prior to DF. Try this: Søren Krarup: Hvad er det at være dansk? (2001)

[lunulae]

are you joking? if not, i wouldn't consider him an intellectual.

[Sergius]

No, I'm serious. He his written critical books on human rights, democracy, Danish culture in the Modern Age, theology, and so forth. I am not his greatest admirer, but I do suggest that you at least take a look at his bibliography and then tell me that you aren't a bit intrigued.
And why wouldn't he be considered an intellectual? I think what you are really looking for is a non-nationalist who can justify Nationalist ideas. No professor or writer, no matter how often cited, is a god, and looking for even the slightest hints of ideological common ground in the works of, say, Friedman is like a search for mooses on Funen, if you know what I mean.
Do you know of H. J. Massingham? I haven't read anything by him, but it seems like your kind of thing.

[lunulae]

yes, i know what you mean, but i sense some wishful thinking (ex. 'no professor is god'). what kind of education does krarup have? it's not like he is professor emeritus of social anthropology or anything. i'll check out massingham, thanks.
hopefully you will continue posting aswell, if you stumble across any interesting persons.

[Menydh]

Well, it also depends on how deep you are prepared to go in considering nationalism.

Most important, are you considering nationalism an ideology here? If so, one must bear in mind that nationalism is not, per se, an ideology. Ideologies do build around the concept of nation, not the other way around. Or at least, that is how it is under normal circumtances.

[lunulae]

well, if you have any intellectuals in mind that just vaguely "represents" nationalism then go ahead and post them. i thought this thread would have great potential, but so far we are only three people posting in it.

newest suggestion; bruce bawer.

[Marulus]

Originally Posted by lunulae

well, if you have any intellectuals in mind that just vaguely "represents" nationalism then go ahead and post them. i thought this thread would have great potential, but so far we are only three people posting in it.

I am thinking of it, I'll post some names.

Speaking of Spengler, I would also suggest reading his treatise Prussianism and Socialism.

Originally Posted by lunulae

newest suggestion; bruce bawer.

No, no, one thousand times no. He is no nationalist at all. How could he fit into any scheme of a nationalist intellectual anyway?

[Marulus]

Guillaume Faye - a French identitarian (which is not the same thing as nationalist, but close), some of his ideas and analyses are condivisible; an interesting article of his (in French)

Tomislav Sunić - my compatriot, too much pan-Europeanist for my taste; nevertheless, he has some excellent articles and books that highlight the crisis of the modern Europe, which is modelling itself after America and adopting all American bad habits, with the so-called homo Americanus as the basic human type prevailing in the old continent.

Ernst Jünger

Miguel de Unamuno

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Plethon

Miguel de Unamuno

A great philosopher and a great Basque Spanish Patriot. However, I avoided mentioning him because he was much circumscribed in the deep and particular idiosincracy of Spain. His idea of Spain was isolationist with respect to Europe. Among his works, Alma vasca (Basque Soul).

But since you mentioned him..

Menéndez y Pelayo, a Spanish erudite scholar and historian, and a staunch defender of the National Tradition against the reformers. His opus magnum was Historia de los heterodoxos españoles (History of the Spanish Heterodox).

And more debatable..

Eugeni d'Ors i Rovira, a Spanish Catalan writer, philosopher and art critic, the creator of the Catalan Noucentisme.

[Jejunity]

Originally Posted by lunulae

what kind of education does krarup have? it's not like he is professor emeritus of social anthropology or anything.

Krarup is a theologian.

I too recommend José Ortega y Gasset, one of the great critics of modernity. I have been wanting to read his book on modern art for a while now.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by NatVox

Alright then.

Ortega y Gasset, Spanish philosopher. Best known for his work La rebelión de las masas (The Revolt of the Masses), but in Spain also for his España invertebrada (Invertebrate Spain).

....

I have just recently finished the four essays in Ortega y Gasset's History as a System and found them to be full of very compelling ideas. The Revolt of the Masses was also very much worth reading, primarily to me as an historical document describing the mood in Europe between the two World Wars.

NatVox, do you think there would be any value in my posting some extended quotes from my copy of the English translation of History as a System?

Also I was wondering if you would recommend Ortega y Gasset's An Interpretation of Universal History?

[Silas]

For the Swedish representation i would like to point out Per Engdahl and Rudolf Kjellén