Bosnian Muslim and Croat presidency members want to abolish entities

[Crvena zvezda]

Bosnian Presidency Members Call for Abolition of Entities

18 06 2007 Sarajevo _ Bosnian Muslim and Croat members of the Bosnia and Herzegovina Presidency urged the UN Secretary General to help annul “the results of genocide” by scrapping the two ethnic entities in the country.

The 1995 Dayton peace agreement ended the 1992-95 war in Bosnia and “did stop genocide but left Bosnia divided into two semi-autonomous entities,” the letter signed by the Muslim member, Haris Silajdzic and the Bosnian Croat, Zeljko Komsic, said.

The letter, not signed by the Bosnian Serb member of the Presidency, Nebojsa Radmanovic, was sent last week but was made public on Monday.

”Today, 12 years since the end of the war, the future of BiH remains a hostage of this ethno-territorial division,” the letter said.

Silajdzic and other Muslim leaders in the Federation have stepped up their demands for abolition of the Bosnian Serb entity, the Republika Srpska.

They say they are empowered by the February ruling of the International Court of Justice, ICJ, based in The Hague, which said Bosnian Serb forces committed genocide in July 1995 in the eastern enclave of Srebrenica.

The letter repeated the claims that the existence of a Serbian entity on territory that had once been multiethnic was a direct consequence of ethnic cleansing and genocide.

The Prime Minister of the Republika Srpska, Milorad Dodik, last week expressed anger over Silajdzic’s calls. “We have no intention of talking to Silajdzic about any issue as long as he continues to claim the police in Republika Srpska committed genocide. That is a lie and this must stop,” Dodik said.

Dodik said talks on reforms, including over the police, would be halted until Bosnia’s Muslim and Croat politicians accept that the Serbian entity of Bosnia is here to stay.

“They can think whatever they want about Republika Srpska but until they realistically accept it, there will be no agreement, even if Bosnia has to stand still for a hundred years on its path to the European Union,” Dodik said.

At a meeting of the UN Security Council in May, the international community issued a tough warning to Bosnian politicians to stop nationalistic posturing or forget EU membership.

[Monolith]

My opinion is that current situation for the Croats in BiH is unfair.
Croats in BiH should get their entity, or all entities should be abolished and BiH cantonised.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Bardyllis

My opinion is that current situation for the Croats in BiH is unfair.
Croats in BiH should get their entity, or all entities should be abolished and BiH cantonised.

My opinion is that each nation should have an entity. The borders adjusted of the entities. Each entity should be given the right to independence. And no cantonization of BiH since I consider cantonization as part of the Bosniak plans to create a centralized Muslim state.

Given that current constitution requires all three nations to agree, it seems Bosnia will never progress forward and will remain the hate filled and economically depressed state it is now forever.

[Zrinski]

If it ever happens I doubt it will be federalization (at least not in the strickt sense of that term), especially with the possibility to secede. I am an optimist though and I think that Bosnia-Herzegovina will in the end have to be oranized in three ethnic entities.

The borders will have to modified a bit though. I think the best solution and the one the international community would accept would be for each nation to have two cantons which would be united into entities. Each entitiy would have own parliament and it's own president which would be the member of the presidency.

[Crvena zvezda]

BOSNIA: MUSLIMS DEMAND ABOLITION OF ENTITIES, CROATS WANT THEIR OWN

Sarajevo, 19 June (AKI) – A new quarrel broke out between Bosnia’s three nationalities – Muslims, Serbs and Croats on the country’s constitution on Tuesday, with majority Muslims demanding abolition of the countries two entities, while minority Croats demand their own. According to the Dayton peace accord, that ended the 1992-1995 civil war, Bosnia was divided into a Muslim-Croat federation and a Serb entity Republika Srpska (RS) with most state attributes.

But the international community, which safeguards peace in Bosnia, has gradually stripped entities of their state powers and is pushing for a new constitution that would strengthen a central government.

Bosnian Serbs, which practically have their own republic, have been resisting changes, fearing domination of majority Muslims, and Croats, who make about 17 per cent of Bosnia’s four million population want an entity of their own.

The controversy was fuelled on Monday when Muslim and Croat members of three-man rotating state presidency, Haris Silajdzic and Zeljko Komsic, sent a letter to the United Nations secretary-general Ban Ki-moon asking in effect a help to abolish Republika Srpska by “annulling the results of genocide in Bosnia-Herzegovina”.

Silajdzic and Komsic, who is not recognized by most Bosnian Croats because he was elected with the help of Muslim votes, said that RS was created on genocide and should be abolished as such. Silajdzic has stepped up his demands after the International Court of Justice ruled last February that Bosnian Serb forces committed genocide in eastern town of Srebrenica in July 1995 when up to 8,000 Muslims were killed. In a letter to Ban Ki-moon Silajdzic and Komsic claimed that the Dayton accord put an end to genocide, “but left Bosnia-Herzegovina divided into two semi-autonomous entities with totally destroyed multi-ethnic character”.

They demanded that the shortcomings should be corrected by the new constitution which has been debated for over a year, but the three nationalities have failed to come to an agreement. Meanwhile, Dragan Covic, president of the main Croatian party in Bosnia, the Croatian democratic union, said that all Croatian parties will propose this week that Bosnia be divided into three ethnic entities, with Sarajevo as a separate district. “Croatian politicians must be the initiators of a new constitution which would guarantee Croats the same rights as to other constituent peoples,” Covic said.

“Every federal unit would have its legislative, executive and judiciary organs,” Covic said. He pointed out that the two-entities system is untenable that that Croats have been subject to assimilation and deprived of basic rights in the federation with Muslims. Nebojsa Radmanovic, a Serb who currently chairs the presidency, said that Silajdzic’s and Komsic behavior was “unbecoming of diplomatic communication” and that he had no knowledge of their letter. Such letters “don’t contribute to better understanding between members of the highest state organ, nor between peoples and citizens they represent,” he added.

[Menydh]

I would be very surprised if the US/UN plans for Bosnia were not mutual assimilation of all parts. I know that the idea sounds retarded. But that's what comes when the plans are designed by the retarded.

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I would be very surprised if the US/UN plans for Bosnia were not mutual assimilation of all parts. I know that the idea sounds retarded. But that's what comes when the plans are designed by the retarded.

The US plans are the same with those of the Bosnian Muslims. Their goal is to reorganize Bosnia-Herzegovina as a centralized state. However such position is very idealistic and unfavourable for the other two nations in Bosnia-Herzegovina. We already seehow things work in the so-called "Federation of BiH" (i.e. Croatian-Muslim "federation"/entity) where Muslims are the majority over Croats. They impose their own will in all political issues through sheer size of numbers. If not for some clauses which guarantee Croatian voice to be heard in entity and state politics Croatian voice would be totally suppressed. This is the reason why Croats today ask for their own entity or more correctly an expansion of their cultural-political autonomy to be applied to the teritories where Croats are a majority as well.

[Menydh]

The 1991 census reports the following ethnic groups percentages:

• Bosniaks 43.47%
• Serbs 31.21%
• Croats 17.38%
• Yugos 5.54%
• Other 2.38%

Bosnian Congres - Constitutional Census 1991 - Regions Summary

Yugoslav I understand that it is an identification with the former Yugoslavia, not a proper ethnic group. I haven't been able to find a more up to date census, but the data I've seen here and there suggests an increase percentage of the Bosniak population.

That's what I meant by mutual assimilation. Eventually it should lead to an overall majority of the Bosniak Muslim population.

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

The 1991 census reports the following ethnic groups percentages:

• Bosniaks 43.47%
• Serbs 31.21%
• Croats 17.38%
• Yugos 5.54%
• Other 2.38%

Bosnian Congres - Constitutional Census 1991 - Regions Summary

Yugoslav I understand that it is an identification with the former Yugoslavia, not a proper ethnic group. I haven't been able to find a more up to date census, but the data I've seen here and there suggests an increase percentage of the Bosniak population.

That's what I meant by mutual assimilation. Eventually it should lead to an overall majority of the Bosniak Muslim population.

The demographic situation changed somewhat due to the fact that the percentage of Serbs and "Bosniaks" increased.

Muslims are now 48%, Serbs 37% and the number of Croats decreased to a bit above 14%

The reason for decrease of Croats is that the most Croats who lived in what is now Serbian entity are not allowed or no conditions are satisfied for them to return. Many Yugoslavs however (while you mention them) in Bosnia-Herzegovina were in fact Muslims. Due to the fact they had no ethnic identity until recently the Yugoslav identity was most successfully accepted in Bosnia-Herzegovina among Muslims. The increase in number of Serbs was influenced by the fact many who left Croatia moved to Bosnia-Herzegovina and settled into Serbian entity. Basically we can speak of population exchange with Croats who lived in what is now a Serbian entitywith Serbs from Croatia.

Also the ethnic borders are now clear between these three groups in Bosnia-Herzegovina. Compared to 1991 for example when it was a complete mix (read mess ) now it looks far simpler.

Btw. you can see it very clearly on the demographic maps.

Maps from 1991:
Image:BH1991.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Image:Ethnic relations 1991.GIF - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2006:
ImageemoBIH2006.PNG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

The controversy was fuelled on Monday when Muslim and Croat members of three-man rotating state presidency, Haris Silajdzic and Zeljko Komsic, sent a letter to the United Nations secretary-general Ban Ki-moon asking in effect a help to abolish Republika Srpska by “annulling the results of genocide in Bosnia-Herzegovina”.

Silajdzic and Komsic, who is not recognized by most Bosnian Croats because he was elected with the help of Muslim votes, said that RS was created on genocide and should be abolished as such. Silajdzic has stepped up his demands after the International Court of Justice ruled last February that Bosnian Serb forces committed genocide in eastern town of Srebrenica in July 1995 when up to 8,000 Muslims were killed. In a letter to Ban Ki-moon Silajdzic and Komsic claimed that the Dayton accord put an end to genocide, “but left Bosnia-Herzegovina divided into two semi-autonomous entities with totally destroyed multi-ethnic character”.

This Zeljko Komsic seems to be a Muslim puppet. His ideas seem to be against the interest of Croatians and like the article said he is only the representative of Croats due to Muslim votes.

Also. I find the claim of abolish Republika Srpska as it is a creation of genocide idiotic. One can make the same argument about almost every country- Turkey was built on genocide, America was built on genocide, Israel is built on a continuing genocide and most of all Bosnia is a creation of Ottoman genocides on Serbs and Croats and the Bosnia the Muslims want would its self be a creation of genocide.

They demanded that the shortcomings should be corrected by the new constitution which has been debated for over a year, but the three nationalities have failed to come to an agreement. Meanwhile, Dragan Covic, president of the main Croatian party in Bosnia, the Croatian democratic union, said that all Croatian parties will propose this week that Bosnia be divided into three ethnic entities, with Sarajevo as a separate district. “Croatian politicians must be the initiators of a new constitution which would guarantee Croats the same rights as to other constituent peoples,” Covic said.

Again. i also find their claims idiotic. The constitution they are referring to was blocked from being passed by Sijaldzic.

I also see no reason why Sarajevo should be a seperate district. Sarajevo is a muslim city, furthermore there already is a seperate district in Bosnia called Brcko and it is arguably the only multi-ethnic city in Bosnia. If Sarajevo is made a special district I think the same should be done to Banja Luka and Mostar the main Serb and the main Croat cities.

[Franze]

I don´t know a lot about the country but the serb region must be maintaned and a new croat region should be created to not be united with the muslims and being destroyed like it´s happening, the new catholic churches are blocked and mosques are being built without problems, the croats are being removed from their country.

[Marulus]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I would be very surprised if the US/UN plans for Bosnia were not mutual assimilation of all parts. I know that the idea sounds retarded. But that's what comes when the plans are designed by the retarded.

You won't be surprised. You guessed it right, it is their plan. That's what they are after, forging artificial nationhood out of three mutually hostile ethnic groups or nations. A "Bosnian" nation is what they call it.

But that's not anything particularly new. About one hundred years ago the Austro-Hungarian administrator of Bosnia and Herzegovina had tried to do the same. His project failed, as will most probably this one as well. But the real question is, how many human lives will this failure cost this time?