UK Conservative leader David Cameron says: “Yes, I am a Zionist.”

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Originally Posted by Arin

albeit the suicide bombings are somewhat cowardly

Errr... I thought the exact countrary, people are usually cowards because they fear death. And suicide bombers don't fear death.

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Originally Posted by Arin

The people who are afraid to hop on a bus? But yes, I understand where you're getting at, both sides are equally as bad in this situation (albeit the suicide bombings are somewhat cowardly).

Suicide bombers can be called a lot of things but cowardly isn't one of them.

If you want to talk about cowardice then talk about Israel. Look at how terrified they are of Palestinian and Lebanese civilians, how they get the US to bribe neighbouring Arab states not to attack them, how they use all their political influence to get America to attack Iraq because they can't sleep knowing Saddam is in power. They are now terrified of Iran and want them bombed too. Israel is a sad case.

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Yes, it is an utter nonsense calling suicide bombers cowards. You can call them however you want, but cowards - no.

Only those who organize them and pull the strings, without themsleves participating in the suicide bombing acts, could be in a certain sense called cowards.

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Suicide bombers can be called a lot of things but cowardly isn't one of them.

If you want to talk about cowardice then talk about Israel. Look at how terrified they are of Palestinian and Lebanese civilians, how they get the US to bribe neighbouring Arab states not to attack them, how they use all their political influence to get America to attack Iraq because they can't sleep knowing Saddam is in power. They are now terrified of Iran and want them bombed too. Israel is a sad case.

I see your point, I was foolish to call suicide bombing cowardly, however horrible, disgusting and evil it is, however I still support Israeli action on muslim terrorists.

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Originally Posted by Arin

If David Cameron's description of Zionism is correct, then I am a zionist too, Sarkozy has said the same thing aswell and I see nothing wrong with it at all. Yay for Israel

David Cameron's definition of Zionism is extremely hipocritical to put it mildly.

Here is the part of the definition of being a Zionist that he conveniently did not mention:

[...] someone who believes that the Jews have a right to a homeland in Israel and a right to their country ... and for which he has a divine right to use the terror of his mighty military power to removed from those lands the people living there.

Reality overcomes the fantasy created by words of deceit.

Originally Posted by Arin

Sure, What does Israel have to do with 'Western Culture' and 'Western Civilization'?It's more ideological than it is economical, they're the pinacle of the struggle against islamic fundamentalism, oppression and terrorism.

How is the killing of Palestine children a struggle against Islamic fundamentalism, oppression and terrorism?

Yours are similar words to the ones used by Islamists to justify their terrorist attacks over a civilian population.

The line that divides Jewish fundamentalists and Islamic fundamentalists is unreal. It is a war of propaganda.

And about your idea that jews support multiculturalism, I don't know where you get that from mate , I know a few Jews who want to boot muslims out of the country, and retain our european culture

Whoever said that Muslims are a different culture and Jews are not? If they do not support multiculturalism in Europe, why don't they leave at once? That would be consistent with your statement. Otherwise it is just another deceit in a large list.

Further, what you call "European culture" I suspect that it is not. It is so-called "Western culture" which is Jewish shaped American degenerate culture.

and there was a decent ammount of jewish support for nationalism in the 20th century, although to be fair there was much Jewish support for socialism and communism

The wrong use of words can be very deceiving. You meant to say that some Jews supported State Patriotism, not Nationalism (or National Patriotism). Nationalism is an ethnic concept.

but then again saying Jews support multiculturalism is like saying ol' whitey supports socialism, when it's just many university students wearing sandals and smoking cannabis that actually do.

Unfortunately that enough "whitey" support Socialism to make a case, even if erronously, is true.

Jews clearly do not support this latest phase of multiculturalism which is bringing Islam to Europe. But this is only one phase of a multiculturalism that they themselves supported in Europe for centuries, because it served their purposes of making room for themselves among Europeans, at the cost of Europe's gradual degradation.

But I totally agree with you on multiculturalism destroying the foundations or 'smashing the pillars' of European societies.

Now read above and see who started this multiculturalism.

Originally Posted by Arin

However, I'm not a neo-conservative though just regular silly ol' Liberal Conservative, I just believe Israel is fighting for the values we fight for too, and that should be comended

Which values are you talking about? A materialistic consumer society? The economic enslaving of the people in a cruel labour market, to feed the endless voracity of the Liberal Market Economy?

Those that you call values are nothing but greed, usure, speculation.

Originally Posted by Arin

Ofcoarse, they're just animals who want war.

What they are waging is a war of terror over a people, like their other Middle East brothers are doing.

Whether they want it or not is only a matter of semantics.

Seriously, can you give ANY evidence on this whatsoever?

Yes. Multiculturalism is not something new, but it started quite some hundreds of years ago in the countries and cities where Jews settled as traders and guilders, and used it to undermine the ethnic homogeneity of those societies to make room for themselves.

Much like a cancerigenous cells break through the tissue of the organs and destroy the cells to create an empty space where they settle, and from where they grow and expand, Jews broke through the fabric of European societies corrupting and destroying European values to make room for theirs.

And as for this trash about the Jews bringing up the holocaust as some kind of guilt trip, that's just more garbage spread by neo-nazi bone heads.

That neo-nazi bone heads have retardedly downplay the holocaust does not mean that the holocaust has not been overstated and over-abused by Jews, and that it is a criminal act to feed a complex of guilty on Germans with a never ending bombin of propaganda.

I don't really want to bring up the fact that Jews have been persecuted for centuries upon centuries

More correct words here would be evicted or removed from societies. But the word that best defines it is a surgical term, extirpated.

and I'm definately not going to whine about it, because quite frankly I really couldn't care less what has happened in the past, but what is happening in the present, not just a nation, but an ideology, and set of values that we uphold are under siege, and it's going to happen here.

I have already refuted the deceiving use of the concept of shared values. Our values are not theirs, and our values do not suit them. But being Islam in Europe an imminent threat in which they have an invested interest in the Middle East, they are seizing the chance to make their case of Jewish aggression in the Middle East common with our fight against the aggression of Islam in Europe.

Ours is a just cause that becomes corrupted and prostituted by linking it to theirs.

Originally Posted by Arin

Anyhow this man, even if he is some whackjob Jewpremacist, he is just one man, I'm pretty sure us whiteys, the asians and negroes also have basket case supremacists, probaby moreso than the Jews.

I wonder if you would be prepared to make the same apology for Muslims.. no, you wouldn't. Instead you accuse the entire population of Palestine as terrorists, because Muslims in Europe (who may be Pakistanis or North Africans) are terrorists.

Well, again you provide no evidence just word of 'text'

Have you provided any single piece of evidence throughout your long apologetical support of the use of terror against the populations of the Middle East? None at all.

Further, you have failed miserably to taint the struggle of Europe against the Islamic invasion with the policies of aggression and terror of Israel in the Middle East.

The last resource that's available to you is to call us nazis. Never mind if we are not.

Originally Posted by Arin

I am all that, except for being a Jew, which I'm not. I love Britain and I feel so passionately about preserving her culture.

There is nothing worth of preserving there. It is as corrupted as it can get.

But on the topic of Jews who do bring up the holocaust, fuck them, it's a new generation and they have no grounds to ridicule.

I don't think that it can be taken that lightly, the fact that young Germans are being made ashamed for being Germans. Of course it doesn't affect you directly, nor your interests.

What claims have I made? That there are Jews who support nationalism? I really don't even need to back that up, it's just blatant truth.

Yes, you do need to back up that one too. I have contested it above.

I very much agree that the creation of Israel was one 'signed in blood' so to speak, It was horrible that so many arabs were booted out of their homes, but now, in the present it is different, it is a different generation and to say that Israelis should be booted out is just double standards.

The Palestinians are still living in refugee campst, since they were booted by means of terror and war. The horror lives on. And you support it. A Catholic? You are clearly not one. And I much doubt that you family were as you claim. Or, were you speaking of your entire family?

Originally Posted by Arin

The people who are afraid to hop on a bus? But yes, I understand where you're getting at, both sides are equally as bad in this situation (albeit the suicide bombings are somewhat cowardly).

And the shooting against children throwing stones is corageous?

Originally Posted by Arin

I see your point, I was foolish to call suicide bombing cowardly, however horrible, disgusting and evil it is, however I still support Israeli action on muslim terrorists.

And do you also support Palestinian action against Israeli terror? Or do you have an invested interest in only one of the parts?