UK Conservative leader David Cameron says: “Yes, I am a Zionist.”

[Arin]

Animals? Who are the animals?

First of all, I as Christian find it utterly repulsive to call any group of people (or entire nations or entire civilizations) "animals", be they Jews, Muslims, Chinese, Americans or whoever. At least not in any serious context, athough in a fit of rage one often spouts all kinds of words...

I was joking mate it was sarcasm, forgive me if I misunderstood you but you made out as if the Israelis are just war mongering animals :/

Really? Jews never try to impose any collective guilt about the Holocaust? Why is it then that no international meeting or any kind of meeting, in which Jewish representatives and Israelis take part, passes without them reminding the whole rest of humnaity of how terribly they suffered and of how they deserve some special status? Of how they victims are unique, of how the Holocaust is such a unique event in the entire history of humanity, with which nothing else can be compared?

That's not evidence, and the part where you say that any israeli meeting ends up in the Jewish representitive reminding everyone how much the jews suffered is ridiculous.

Ever heard of Daniel Goldhagen, who claims that Germans are collectively responsible for the Holocaust, not just those who harmed Jews during the Nazi rule, nit just those who lived at the time when it happened, but all Germans indiscriminately? Ever heard of ADL, Simon Wiesenthal Center, Ephraim Zuroff, Elie Wiesel etc.?

I've heard of the ADL, Ephraim Zuroff and Elie Wiesel, infact I remember back in the day I had to to a review on that bloody boring book. But what has Elie Wiesel said or done lately? But this man you speak of 'Daniel Goldhagen', claims the whole German population were responsible, I mean cmon, he does have some backup on that, Hitler was elected let me remind you, and there was no gun going to the back of the heads of those thousands upon thousands of people giving the hitler salute, smiling and waving to the fuhrer. I mean that generation is dying out now so there is little to go on, it's like the absolutely ridiculous 'reconciliation with aboriginals' here in Australia, I didn't bloody do it, fuck off I'm not saying sorry. Anyhow this man, even if he is some whackjob Jewpremacist, he is just one man, I'm pretty sure us whiteys, the asians and negroes also have basket case supremacists, probaby moreso than the Jews.

Many of their representatives have been slandering my nation for 62 years, as a nation of murderers. Is that little?

Well, again you provide no evidence just word of 'text', and plus theres no friendship merit I can give you to take your word for it But even so, slandering Croatia now in todays generation as a nation of murderers is ridiculous for the same reason as above, but if you keep 'throwing the hot potato of hate' around with what anti-Jew sentiment you have, you'll just continue the ustase legacy, but not in a good way However, believe me I liked alot of what the Ustase did, they had some good ideals and besides from being a nazi puppet their heart was in the right place.

But those massacres cannot serve as a justification for an eternal vengeance and eternal hatred.

I agree, no it cannot, just like indiginous people's of places like Australia, NZ, US, and Canada shouldn't be entitled to any welfare at all. and in the case of Australia no apology, because the people who were persecuted are long dead, the persecuters are long dead, we're a new generation so stop brining the shit up, is what I say.

[Errigal]

It is my guess that Arin is Jewish.

It would be a healthy first step toward world peace and understanding if he admitted it. If Jewish people want more friends in the world the first step would be to stop lying to the rest of us and trying to trick us into fighting their battles.

(If you're not Jewish Arin, then you are definitely a star student of the neocon school.)

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Errigal

It is my guess that Arin is Jewish.

It was my guess too, so I greeted him with "shalom" in the introduction section.

No idea why my post was deleted.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Arin

what anti-Jew sentiment you have

Hahaha...

Anti-Jew sentiment? How on earth have you concluded that I have such sentiment?




No, I have no anti-Jew sentiment, even less anti-Arin sentiment....but anti-Ephraim-Zuroff sentiment, YES!

[Strengthandhonour]

Arin, you should seriously start re-considering the reasons why you joined this forum. I too suspect you are jewish by this point. This is a forum for European nationalists and people who are interested on the preservations of their culture and identity in their nation. The jews are one who(not all) try to press multicultural propaganda and hateful undertones towards Europeans blaming many of us for the holocaust. Just like you say that Plethon has no evidence..let's see YOUR evidence for your claims.

[Ykksyb]

I actually don't really understand neither why people are anti-zionist here ?
I prefer to see the jews in Israel than in Europe, so what's the problem with them ?
Otherwise, if you are against their presence in Europe and against their presence in Palestin, where should they go ? USA ?
We cannot do as if they don't exist, and I really don't support the idea of exterminating them, so let them have a land.
Maybe I am naive and don't get all the implications behind all that, so I don't claim anything, it just seems more logical to me.
And then, jews in France, like Alain Finkelkraut don't support multiculturalism.

[Strengthandhonour]

I don't support the death of the jews. If you aren't able to tell, we don't welcome anti-jewish/racial slurs here and if a member says one, they are censored and given a warning.

[Ykksyb]

Yes I know that very well, I wouldn't have joined otherwise. I don't support this attitude neither.
I was just wondering where they should be if we don't let them have Israel, there needs to be a compromise, and this one sounded good to me.

Anyway I don't want to have any argument about this, this is not a subject I know well anyway. I am just trying to know your opinions better and learn.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Ykksyb

I was just wondering where they should be if we don't let them have Israel, there needs to be a compromise, and this one sounded good to me.

Palestine is not ours to give or theirs to take; it belongs to the Palestinian families who's land was stolen. As outsiders we should be doing what we can to help the Palestinians gain what anyone would consider fair. The current system, which is similar to apartheid but worse, needs to go.

Obviously Palestine/Israel is not a European problem but we should not turn a blind eye to cruelty done to either side. If Europeans want to boycott any faction in that fight it is their choice.

Originally Posted by Ykksyb

I actually don't really understand neither why people are anti-zionist here ?
I prefer to see the jews in Israel than in Europe, so what's the problem with them ?
Otherwise, if you are against their presence in Europe and against their presence in Palestin, where should they go ? USA ?
We cannot do as if they don't exist, and I really don't support the idea of exterminating them, so let them have a land.
Maybe I am naive and don't get all the implications behind all that, so I don't claim anything, it just seems more logical to me.

The USA seems to be their happy hunting ground, their Jewish Valhalla, so why not? The Americans can save billions of dollars in aid to Israel. If they can learn to get along with their Arab neighbours in Palestine then I wish them nothing but good luck and happiness.

No matter where Jews live in the future they will have to learn to live like normal citizens and not conspirators.

Originally Posted by Ykksyb

And then, jews in France, like Alain Finkelkraut don't support multiculturalism.

The switch away from non-European immigration is relatively recent and still only involves a minority of Jews. Most still see immigrants as allies in the fight against the indigenous nations of Europe. SOS Racisme is a good example.

[Exeter]

Arin, are you also into Judeo-Christianity?

[Errigal]

The Irish writer George Bernard Shaw said it best:

“This craving for bouquets by Jews is a symptom of racial degeneration. The Jews are worse than my own people. Those Jews who still want to be the chosen race (chosen by the late Lord Balfour) can go to Palestine and stew in their own juice. The rest had better stop being Jews and start being human beings.” (Literary Digest, Oct. 12, ‘32)

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Exeter

Arin, are you also into Judeo-Christianity?

It is usually said something like: the White-Judeo-Christian-Capitalist-Free-Market-Liberal-Democratic West.

[Ykksyb]

Yeah, I think I get it, and their not being in Palestin would be a good thing for peace in the world, and they certainly would be so much better in the US. But, heh, this seems quite utopian, they believe that this land was given to them by god, which eventhough is a stupid argument (in my opinion), is the most difficult to fight against while remaining diplomatic, especially nowadays.

So Zionism from an European is either, that they believe in the Jewish approach to god, either they take the path of the less difficulty and have national interests deeply involved in the situation.

Now, if this man was the PM and said the exact countrary of what he just said, what effect would it have on the English people ? Would it be better or worst for them ?

I don't know if my train of thoughts is going anywhere, I am just experimenting ideas.

[Kernunnos]

Originally Posted by Arin

Fair assumption

However, I'm not a neo-conservative though just regular silly ol' Liberal Conservative, I just believe Israel is fighting for the values we fight for too, and that should be comended

You must be very young and be living an happy life in some remote european land not touched by modernity.

[Arin]

It is my guess that Arin is Jewish.

Nah mate, not jewish, my family are Ukrainian catholics

(If you're not Jewish Arin, then you are definitely a star student of the neocon school.)

Just because I support Israel?

No, I have no anti-Jew sentiment, even less anti-Arin sentiment....but anti-Ephraim-Zuroff sentiment, YES!

haha

Arin, you should seriously start re-considering the reasons why you joined this forum. I too suspect you are jewish by this point. This is a forum for European nationalists and people who are interested on the preservations of their culture and identity in their nation. The jews are one who(not all) try to press multicultural propaganda and hateful undertones towards Europeans blaming many of us for the holocaust.

I am all that, except for being a Jew, which I'm not. I love Britain and I feel so passionately about preserving her culture. But on the topic of Jews who do bring up the holocaust, fuck them, it's a new generation and they have no grounds to ridicule.

Just like you say that Plethon has no evidence..let's see YOUR evidence for your claims.

What claims have I made? That there are Jews who support nationalism? I really don't even need to back that up, it's just blatant truth.

Palestine is not ours to give or theirs to take; it belongs to the Palestinian families who's land was stolen. As outsiders we should be doing what we can to help the Palestinians gain what anyone would consider fair. The current system, which is similar to apartheid but worse, needs to go.

I very much agree that the creation of Israel was one 'signed in blood' so to speak, It was horrible that so many arabs were booted out of their homes, but now, in the present it is different, it is a different generation and to say that Israelis should be booted out is just double standards.

Arin, are you also into Judeo-Christianity?

Not really

“This craving for bouquets by Jews is a symptom of racial degeneration. The Jews are worse than my own people. Those Jews who still want to be the chosen race (chosen by the late Lord Balfour) can go to Palestine and stew in their own juice. The rest had better stop being Jews and start being human beings.” (Literary Digest, Oct. 12, ‘32)

I agree

You must be very young and be living an happy life in some remote european land not touched by modernity.

Hahaha, Australia.